It's interesting how many commenters here are peddling Kremlin propaganda though.
But it is extremely important to note that Russia always had the option of simply stopping gas delivery even if the pipeline was not destroyed (and Germany similarly could stop delivery at the other end), while other parties had to actually sabotage the pipeline if they wanted to prevent such deals.
I'm not sure why we in the West cannot adopt the following stance:
Yes, Russia invaded and committed atrocities. But it does not mean that everything they say is a lie. If you are familiar with Soviet propaganda, it is in fact relatively easy to spot the obvious lies (e.g., dirty bomb).
The Nord Stream sabotage is not at all obvious. The increased use of missiles started after the Crimea bridge attack. So they didn't need a false flag Nord Stream operation as an excuse for that.
Do you have anything to support this other than your word here? I believe you of course, but its better to have some evidence or something.
Well if someone says it is “extremely obvious who did it” then it kinda does matter if they can then say who did it. The fact that miguelazo couldn’t name who did it indicates that perhaps it is less than extremely obvious who did it.
I agree that both the USA, and the UK has the means to covertly carry out such sabotage. I also agree that both has the motivation too. There are other countries with the means and motivation too.
> maybe Ukranians? Poles? Idk
That last one. That hits it on the head. The correct answer given the publicly available information is that we do not know. We should say that more often. It is a sign of strength, not of weakness.
This is growing in the telling.
But in any case, of course we don't know. But we should attempt to find what is and isn't a reasonable explanation, and what may be most reasonable.
Yes, that's a distinct possibility. The US and UK are tight, particularly with underwater stuff. They have a history of sharing submarine secrets with each other. Even reactor technology and screw/pumpjet design. That's some of the most secret stuff America and the UK have, and they share it with each other. It's fair to suspect that one may have consulted with the other before doing something like this.
Could be submarine but why not divers?
Who?