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Re:Nord Stream leaks confirmed as sabotage, Sweden says by lawn on Saturday November 19, 2022 @12:21PM (#33672212)
It's pretty obvious it's Russia.

It's interesting how many commenters here are peddling Kremlin propaganda though.

Re:Nord Stream leaks confirmed as sabotage, Sweden says by miguelazo on Saturday November 19, 2022 @12:28PM (#33672280)
LMAO. Yes, Russia blew up its own 10 billion dollar pipeline, losing a huge investment, future revenues and German strategic dependence on Russia. I especially love the dig about “Kremlin propaganda”. Classic.
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Re:Nord Stream leaks confirmed as sabotage, Sweden says by miguelazo on Saturday November 19, 2022 @12:53PM (#33672638)
Yes, God forbid someone present opposing views. I must be working for the Kremlin. I forgot we were all supposed to take our marching orders from MSNBC. Pretty funny coming from an account that has been here less than a month.
Re:Nord Stream leaks confirmed as sabotage, Sweden says by waffleiron on Saturday November 19, 2022 @01:01PM (#33672739)
You should do this by email, now you are just calling someone a shill indirectly.
Re:Nord Stream leaks confirmed as sabotage, Sweden says by jonwithoutanh on Saturday November 19, 2022 @05:02PM (#33675251)
Kinda like how it would be stupid for Russia to engage in a war with Ukraine. They'd never do something that dumb.
Re:Nord Stream leaks confirmed as sabotage, Sweden says by ohiovr on Saturday November 19, 2022 @06:01PM (#33675837)
Since Russia is red meat here, what would you say if China put SLBMS in Mexico?
Re:Nord Stream leaks confirmed as sabotage, Sweden says by LargoLasskhyfv on Sunday November 20, 2022 @10:06AM (#33681417)
Re:Nord Stream leaks confirmed as sabotage, Sweden says by tsimionescu on Saturday November 19, 2022 @12:29PM (#33672301)
Given that Biden has explicitly threatened to sabotage the NS2 pipeline, it's not I would say that the prime suspect has to be the USA. It's true that Russia would be the secondary suspect, just because of their quite erratic behavior.

But it is extremely important to note that Russia always had the option of simply stopping gas delivery even if the pipeline was not destroyed (and Germany similarly could stop delivery at the other end), while other parties had to actually sabotage the pipeline if they wanted to prevent such deals.

Re:Nord Stream leaks confirmed as sabotage, Sweden says by hglands on Saturday November 19, 2022 @12:43PM (#33672500)
It was Kremlin propaganda for a day to claim that the missiles that hit Poland were Ukrainian. People got flagged. Now it is the official Biden position.

I'm not sure why we in the West cannot adopt the following stance:

Yes, Russia invaded and committed atrocities. But it does not mean that everything they say is a lie. If you are familiar with Soviet propaganda, it is in fact relatively easy to spot the obvious lies (e.g., dirty bomb).

The Nord Stream sabotage is not at all obvious. The increased use of missiles started after the Crimea bridge attack. So they didn't need a false flag Nord Stream operation as an excuse for that.

Re:Nord Stream leaks confirmed as sabotage, Sweden says by foverzar on Saturday November 19, 2022 @04:05PM (#33674673)
Everything people don't like is Kremlin propaganda these days, even when you cite Radio Free Europe.
Re:Nord Stream leaks confirmed as sabotage, Sweden says by ohiovr on Saturday November 19, 2022 @06:04PM (#33675864)
It was disturbing watching people call for all out anhilation of Russia with nuclear war over those two deaths and then absolutely silence when Biden and Stoltzberg made their remarks. I take it you don't watch TV much either.
Re:Nord Stream leaks confirmed as sabotage, Sweden says by rsj_hn on Saturday November 19, 2022 @06:20PM (#33676040)
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