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Re:100s of Twitter Employees Leaving After Musk's 'Extremely... by partiallypro on Thursday November 17, 2022 @08:21PM (#33648539)
I think there are going to be two levels of shock:

1) Never give people an ultimatum. It basically never works in your favor. That was such a dumb thing by Elon and his team. I don't think Elon expected the numbers to be so high.

2) Workers often overestimate their own worth within a company or how easily they can be replaced. It's likely that all the people leaving saying Twitter is going to majorly break soon won't be correct, as I doubt the core engineers are the ones posting Emojis in the Slack channels.

Re:100s of Twitter Employees Leaving After Musk's 'Extremely... by mikkergp on Thursday November 17, 2022 @08:27PM (#33648598)
https://mobile.twitter.com/nitashatiku/status/15933997046366...

!!! “I know of six critical systems (like ‘serving tweets’ levels of critical) which no longer have any engineers," "There is no longer even a skeleton crew manning the system. It will continue to coast until it runs into something, and then it will stop.”

Could be fake, but assuming true, can Elon take it back? Is a webform like legally binding for severance? Elon did say he could run it with 150 engineers do even if 90% are gone, that leaves 700 thereabouts.

Re:100s of Twitter Employees Leaving After Musk's 'Extremely... by partiallypro on Thursday November 17, 2022 @08:41PM (#33648718)
I think right now emotions are flying high, so people are going to make grand statements (and of course the press, which now hates Musk, is very gung-ho to publish anything.) I'm sure some systems will fail, but as to if the general public will really notice much of it, I have doubts. I could be wrong, but I've seen employees make similar claims after being fired or leaving and generally most everything working out. Interviewing or getting information from people fired up after an event like that are generally not reliable, in my experience.
Re:100s of Twitter Employees Leaving After Musk's 'Extremely... by mikkergp on Thursday November 17, 2022 @08:50PM (#33648781)
You’re absolutely right for any small group of people, but if 88 percent of employees are gone(and you’re right that’s a big if right now) I don’t think there’s a precedent for this?
Re:100s of Twitter Employees Leaving After Musk's 'Extremely... by partiallypro on Thursday November 17, 2022 @08:55PM (#33648822)
IMO, it really depends what teams they are from. If you lost 88% of your engineers then that would be a big problem, I just don't think that will be correct. I'm sure for people that were deemed indispensable at the moment were offered more money to stay on. That is something I've seen elsewhere during massive reorgs. I could be wrong; I can't speak for Elon. He seems like a loose cannon at times, but I don't think he's making all the decisions alone.

I saw an article backtracking on some things reported, with Twitter being a lot more flexible with people deemed "essential," which lends itself to my general view.

Re:100s of Twitter Employees Leaving After Musk's 'Extremely... by MrMan on Thursday November 17, 2022 @08:52PM (#33648801)
its fine
Re:100s of Twitter Employees Leaving After Musk's 'Extremely... by phphphphp on Thursday November 17, 2022 @08:49PM (#33648775)
10% of Twitter’s engineers is much closer to 150 than 700. The majority of twitters employees were not engineers.
Re:100s of Twitter Employees Leaving After Musk's 'Extremely... by mikkergp on Friday November 18, 2022 @08:31AM (#33654312)
I was assuming the 90% laid off a disproportionate number of non engineers and only engineers were left but your version is much spicier :-)
Re:100s of Twitter Employees Leaving After Musk's 'Extremely... by randomsearch on Friday November 18, 2022 @03:52AM (#33652057)
This could be meaningless hyperbole without detail. What are those systems, why are they critical, how many staff did they have and how many staff do they have now and what type of staff are they?

They have great reason to be hyperbolic - they've just basically been fired, Elon is accusing Twitter of being an inefficient, lazy, engineering organisation. He has insulted them, they will insult him back and want him to fail.

Re:100s of Twitter Employees Leaving After Musk's 'Extremely... by tracerbulletx on Thursday November 17, 2022 @08:59PM (#33648845)
I don't think anything like this has ever happened before to a system with this scale, so who can say? But just as an engineer at another company that probably has a vaguely similar architecture it's certainly in a place of extreme risk. It just depends on if they can get people in place to hold together the critical services. Also things are much more likely to break it they start trying to change things, it will take longer for a problem to happen if there is little new feature work.
Re:100s of Twitter Employees Leaving After Musk's 'Extremely... by cratermoon on Thursday November 17, 2022 @09:53PM (#33649370)
I have a hunch that over Thanksgiving the increased traffic will break something, and there will be nobody around to fix it, so more stuff will break. I have a hunch that most of SRE people that would normally be watching the metrics ready to jump on anything starting to look dicey are gone.
Re:100s of Twitter Employees Leaving After Musk's 'Extremely... by erk__ on Friday November 18, 2022 @01:37AM (#33651134)
Not just thanksgiving, by the world cup is starting next week as well and that usually drives a lot of traffic
Re:100s of Twitter Employees Leaving After Musk's 'Extremely... by Ekaros on Friday November 18, 2022 @03:21AM (#33651853)
And World Cup traffic will be bursty. Big game, big event in game. Could really peak message volume and this is even geographically distributed.

So fun times for those left there to fight the fires.

Re:100s of Twitter Employees Leaving After Musk's 'Extremely... by _moof on Friday November 18, 2022 @06:00AM (#33653002)
During the 2010 World Cup, Twitter crashed every time a goal was scored. It was a major motivation for the rearchitecture that changed it from a monorail to services. The rock-solid stability during the 2014 World Cup vindicated that effort.

With that context, the performance during this World Cup will be especially meaningful.

Re:100s of Twitter Employees Leaving After Musk's 'Extremely... by ruh-roh on Friday November 18, 2022 @09:23AM (#33655101)
The "once they start trying to change things" aspect is where I'm most keen to watch.

Surely we have all been involved with large-to-small systems where we were curious how well/long they would stand up on their own without intervention. It's kind of fascinating to watch a real-world example, even though we likely won't get a lot of detail. But still, :popcorn_emoji:.

But what's getting somewhat-ignored in this discourse is they aren't changing anything. All deploys are frozen. And the new CEO has made a ton of promises about new features and policies. Eventually they need to roll those out, and once they do, damn... Even if they have strong automated tests, those generally only tell you that new code is functionally ok. Anything that crosses interfaces, deals with end-to-end integration, or adds new tables/dbs/jobs/etc that would eventually hit their scaling solutions - all could have catastrophic effects.

(And that ignores the consent decree stuff on changes too.)

Re:100s of Twitter Employees Leaving After Musk's 'Extremely... by version_five on Thursday November 17, 2022 @09:05PM (#33648901)
I find the colloquial use of "Elon" to be pretty lame, like when people call Mark Zuckerberg "Mark" only. News sources don't do that, it's usually only losers who either want to imply familiarity or refer to him in a vaguely disrespectful way. There are lots of instances where people would be getting upset over way less - here I just think it makes one look like a loser (not singling out the parent, there are lots of these), unless one is really in Musk's circle of friends and talking about him to other friends.
Re:100s of Twitter Employees Leaving After Musk's 'Extremely... by voxl on Thursday November 17, 2022 @09:18PM (#33649013)
What an incredibly cringe comment. Names are used to reference a person, Elon as a name makes it painstakingly obvious who is being talked about. Mark pointedly does not.

To call someone a loser and dribble about this asinine analysis of familiarity. It is infuriating to read. How I wish you had been born in the middle ages with Lord's and Lady's, you would be happier and so would I for never having to know of your existence.

Re:100s of Twitter Employees Leaving After Musk's 'Extremely... by version_five on Thursday November 17, 2022 @09:19PM (#33649022)
Thanks for taking the time to reply
Re:100s of Twitter Employees Leaving After Musk's 'Extremely... by phatfish on Friday November 18, 2022 @06:42AM (#33653278)
The Musk simps are getting more deranged by the hour.
Re:100s of Twitter Employees Leaving After Musk's 'Extremely... by sidibe on Thursday November 17, 2022 @09:09PM (#33648941)
He has a unique first name and likes to interact with regular people online. Internet people have used Elon for a long time even when they liked him. It happens to a lot of famous people with rare first names (e.g. Lebron Kobe Shaq)
Re:100s of Twitter Employees Leaving After Musk's 'Extremely... by version_five on Thursday November 17, 2022 @09:14PM (#33648980)
His last name is unique as well, and would generally by how e.g a news org would refer to him. I still get the sense there is a certain type of post that uses the first name exclusively, either (maybe less now) a tech-bro-type implying familiarity, or now an outraged tech-adjacent type wanting to mildly show their superiority. Ymmv, it's just the impression I get, especially if you look at the content of posts that refer to him this way

I've seen people routinely feign outrage over people not addressed as "Dr" (which as someone with a PhD I think is ridiculous) - even though it's clearly a minor thing, I think people seem fine trying to subtly disrespect Musk through how he's addressed

Re:100s of Twitter Employees Leaving After Musk's 'Extremely... by rsynnott on Friday November 18, 2022 @07:03AM (#33653444)
What is the proper term of address for Saint Car?
Re:100s of Twitter Employees Leaving After Musk's 'Extremely... by memish on Thursday November 17, 2022 @09:41PM (#33649231)
Why do you think it's more than he expected? It could be less than he was hoping for, for all we know.
Re:100s of Twitter Employees Leaving After Musk's 'Extremely... by cmh89 on Thursday November 17, 2022 @10:36PM (#33649803)
>as I doubt the core engineers are the ones posting Emojis in the Slack channels.

Why would someone who is capable of being a core engineer at Twitter agree to be overworked after Musk destroys the majority of the company. The most talented people will leave the dumpster fire.

The remaining folks are probably going to be the people with the least confidence that they can get a new job in three months

Re:100s of Twitter Employees Leaving After Musk's 'Extremely... by benjaminwai on Friday November 18, 2022 @01:27AM (#33651079)
I empathize with those remaining with a H1B, they would be worried sick. They would have less choices and would otherwise have less of 60 days to find a new job or to leave the country.
Re:100s of Twitter Employees Leaving After Musk's 'Extremely... by andreyk on Friday November 18, 2022 @12:11AM (#33650632)
Wrt 2: "I am going to miss this place. We built something special here, and I do not expect to see its like ever again. I have worked here at Twitter for over 11 years. Back in July, I was the 27th most tenured employee at the company. Now I'm the 15th. I am not going to click "yes""

https://mobile.twitter.com/THISWILLWORK/status/1593376111563...

Twitter is full of employees with 5-10 years of experience sharing that they are leaving. There is no doubt many people with critical knowledge and skills that are not easily replaced are gone.