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Re:Discord Inc. fined 800 000 euros by the CNIL, GDPR regula... by origin_path on Thursday November 17, 2022 @08:28AM (#33638540)
Does Discord even have a corporate presence in the EU? For the French government to be fining companies because they happen to dislike the UI is such a random and unpredictable decision that it seems like a strong signal for US firms to not set up offices in the EU at all.
Re:Discord Inc. fined 800 000 euros by the CNIL, GDPR regula... by FamosoRandom on Thursday November 17, 2022 @08:41AM (#33638704)
it's not so simple as "disliking the UI", it's about the UI/UX being clear enough that the user understand what he is doing in order to not be harmed by it in any way (disclosing personnal information for instance).

Simply imagine that the user thought that, by clicking the "X" button, he closed the app and got off the vocal channel so that now nobody can hear him. Now a close relative ask him some other personnal info that he don't want to share (Health info, credit card etc..), and other people in the vocal channel hear it. Well, the user has been harmed.

So yeah, not about "disliking the UI" but about protecting you, the user

Re:Discord Inc. fined 800 000 euros by the CNIL, GDPR regula... by debugnik on Thursday November 17, 2022 @09:36AM (#33639413)
> Simply imagine that the user thought that, by clicking the "X" button, he closed the app

Do most users think that, though? I remember chat apps minimising to the tray bar since MSN Messenger and Skype, possibly earlier, and it's a common feature in most current ones, as well as in other applications.

Now, it's true that some other chat apps display a floating panel to remind you that you're still in voice chat, but Discord's target audience is videogame players that don't want their media covered by such panel anyway, and most other chat apps let you close or disable such panel as well. Game consoles don't do so either.

I agree with the other points in the case, but this UX design being a GDPR issue makes it clear these people are out of touch with the market.

Re:Discord Inc. fined 800 000 euros by the CNIL, GDPR regula... by FamosoRandom on Thursday November 17, 2022 @09:51AM (#33639614)
Look at your web browser.

If you click on the "x" on a open tab, it will most likely close it. If you click on the "x" on your browser, it will close the browser, maybe will it alert you that you're going to close many things.

Open Microsoft Excel or Microsoft Word, Notepad, your Windows file explorer, same thing.

Those are probably the most used app in the world, so people will assume that it is what the "x" button does.

Re:Discord Inc. fined 800 000 euros by the CNIL, GDPR regula... by debugnik on Thursday November 17, 2022 @10:59AM (#33640781)
None of those are supposed to stay on the background (specially not browsers, which are sandboxes for untrusted apps nowadays).

But if I click X on my email client, it keeps receiving email; if I click X on my torrent app or JDownloader, they keep downloading; if I click X on Steam, it keeps updating my games; and if I click X on a chat application, it keeps receiving messages and, yes, usually keeps voice chat open.

And BTW, browser tabs sadly do stay open in a twisted way: notifications, often malicious for the kind of users that accept the prompts without reading.

Re:Discord Inc. fined 800 000 euros by the CNIL, GDPR regula... by LelouBil on Thursday November 17, 2022 @11:38AM (#33641427)
In this case, Discord is still transmitting data after you press "X".

It is the wanted behaviour, of course, but I don't find it weird that having a message explaining it the first time you close the window should be mandatory.

Re:Discord Inc. fined 800 000 euros by the CNIL, GDPR regula... by origin_path on Thursday November 17, 2022 @10:53AM (#33640678)
"not about disliking the UI but about protecting you, the user"

All you've done here is repeat their reasoning for why they dislike the UI.

Re:Discord Inc. fined 800 000 euros by the CNIL, GDPR regula... by morjom on Thursday November 17, 2022 @08:38AM (#33638656)
They seem to have some kind of presence in The Netherlands, if their job postings are anything to go by.

Also

How is this UI design? Wouldn't this fall under UX or just basic functionality? I press X, program close. If I want it minimized I press the minimize button.

Re:Discord Inc. fined 800 000 euros by the CNIL, GDPR regula... by tephra on Thursday November 17, 2022 @08:31AM (#33638571)
Indeed it looks like they have a company in the Netherlands https://support.discord.com/hc/en-us/articles/4410339409047-...
Re:Discord Inc. fined 800 000 euros by the CNIL, GDPR regula... by tyfon on Thursday November 17, 2022 @08:32AM (#33638583)
They accept money from EU customers so, yes
Re:Discord Inc. fined 800 000 euros by the CNIL, GDPR regula... by knaekhoved on Thursday November 17, 2022 @08:44AM (#33638750)
If I accept money from a Chinese guy, that doesn't make me subject to Chinese law.
Re:Discord Inc. fined 800 000 euros by the CNIL, GDPR regula... by matkoniecz on Thursday November 17, 2022 @09:02AM (#33638965)
Nevertheless Chinese government can start seizing your assets in China and transfers from or to you where other participant is in China.

And arrest you in case of visiting place within Chinese jurisdiction.

Unfun fact: there were multiple cases of people getting arrested after plane performed unexpected emergency landing in a country where landing was not planned. Both where arrest was justified and where it was not.

Re:Discord Inc. fined 800 000 euros by the CNIL, GDPR regula... by oblio on Thursday November 17, 2022 @09:19AM (#33639195)
As a one-off donation? Probably not.

As a business? For sure. Not for every aspect of Chinese law, but for relevant ones and with enforcement in China or through mutual agreements with other governments.

This kind of comment is disappointing.

It shows a major lack of understanding of how law and businesses work, coated in a huge layer of outrage, all wrapped up in a Twitter-length type comment.

Re:Discord Inc. fined 800 000 euros by the CNIL, GDPR regula... by tyfon on Thursday November 17, 2022 @09:06AM (#33639030)
If you set up a company that accepts money from Chinese citizens and let them do stuff online I am pretty sure your company will be subject to Chinese law, yes.
Re:Discord Inc. fined 800 000 euros by the CNIL, GDPR regula... by BurningPenguin on Thursday November 17, 2022 @09:06AM (#33639032)
If you are a business, that does business in some other country, you also have to comply to their local laws. Even if you don't have a presence there.
Re:Discord Inc. fined 800 000 euros by the CNIL, GDPR regula... by kome on Thursday November 17, 2022 @08:49AM (#33638816)
If the Chinese guy is based in China, and he is paying with his hard earned Renminbi yes, you are subject to Chinese law.
Re:Discord Inc. fined 800 000 euros by the CNIL, GDPR regula... by femboy on Thursday November 17, 2022 @08:32AM (#33638574)
GDPR applies to all companies that provide services to EU residents.
Re:Discord Inc. fined 800 000 euros by the CNIL, GDPR regula... by acedTrex on Thursday November 17, 2022 @08:34AM (#33638601)
Technically applies and realistically applies are two very different things.
Re:Discord Inc. fined 800 000 euros by the CNIL, GDPR regula... by knaekhoved on Thursday November 17, 2022 @08:46AM (#33638778)
The EU can certainly claim any absurd jurisdiction they like, but how are they planning to enforce this? Ultimately it seems the primary thing they can do is censor Discord from EU internet.
Re:Discord Inc. fined 800 000 euros by the CNIL, GDPR regula... by tephra on Thursday November 17, 2022 @08:53AM (#33638867)
They have a company in the EU which makes it quite easy to enforce given that EU companies must follow EU law.
Re:Discord Inc. fined 800 000 euros by the CNIL, GDPR regula... by oblio on Thursday November 17, 2022 @09:23AM (#33639245)
Which Discord would very much not want, since for major internet businesses the EU is generally at least 20% of their income, if they know what they're doing.

The EU GDP is about 75% of the US one, it's a huge market.

Re:Discord Inc. fined 800 000 euros by the CNIL, GDPR regula... by Stranger43 on Thursday November 17, 2022 @08:58AM (#33638915)
The real world enforcement would be for the EU to Freeze all money transfer from the EU to said company. essentially making it a cost only proposition for that company to keep trying to sell to European customers.

Sure shady people will dream up all sorts of fancy money laundering schemes to make it looks like there is no transfers but those are already illegal as fraud on both side of the Atlantic with potential jail times.

The EU don't have to block any content to efficiently enforce GDPR against US companies trying to market profitably in the EU.

Re:Discord Inc. fined 800 000 euros by the CNIL, GDPR regula... by conradfr on Thursday November 17, 2022 @08:57AM (#33638909)
Technically the Cnil is independent from the government.

https://www.cnil.fr/en/node/287

Re:Discord Inc. fined 800 000 euros by the CNIL, GDPR regula... by debugnik on Thursday November 17, 2022 @09:08AM (#33639058)
> Does Discord even have a corporate presence in the EU?

They keep bothering me to pay for Nitro and just pushed a notification that they've added new payment options for my country, so they're clearly targeting the EU market.