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Re:Mom Handcuffed, Jailed for 8-Year-Old Son Walking Half a ... by beaned on Wednesday November 16, 2022 @12:50PM (#33627356)
Nobody wants to be the one parent out of a thousand who has their kid scooped up off the street because they were letting their kid explore and be free.

Edit: Not sure why I'm being downvoted, this comment isn't a judgment on anyone or promoting any type of child-rearing philosophy. It's just an obvious truth. Nobody wants to be that parent, and that obviously influences behavior.

Re:Mom Handcuffed, Jailed for 8-Year-Old Son Walking Half a ... by wyldfire on Wednesday November 16, 2022 @01:27PM (#33628023)
> Nobody wants to be the one parent out of a thousand who has their kid scooped up off the street

I agreed with you ... because I misread your comment as being concerned that the cops would come pick up your kid (like happened here in TFA). My (semi-legitimate) fear is that I'll be harassed as a parent for letting my kids do normal things like walk around the neighborhood. That'd be the only reason I might not encourage it.

Your kid is much more likely to be picked up by the cops over handwringing like this than to be kidnapped.

Re:Mom Handcuffed, Jailed for 8-Year-Old Son Walking Half a ... by uoflcards22 on Wednesday November 16, 2022 @12:51PM (#33627387)
Your kid is 3x more likely to be struck by lightning than kidnapped. Literally.
Re:Mom Handcuffed, Jailed for 8-Year-Old Son Walking Half a ... by postalrat on Wednesday November 16, 2022 @01:09PM (#33627715)
I bet those odds are much lower for kids that can't leave the house.
Re:Mom Handcuffed, Jailed for 8-Year-Old Son Walking Half a ... by geoffeg on Wednesday November 16, 2022 @12:59PM (#33627551)
So we shouldn't allow children to go outside where the lightning could get them! (/s, but I wouldn't be surprised if someone seriously believes it is what we should do..)
Re:Mom Handcuffed, Jailed for 8-Year-Old Son Walking Half a ... by dekhn on Wednesday November 16, 2022 @01:46PM (#33628368)
I know a guy who continually insisted he was doing the right thing telling his child to get out of the pool if there was thunder. You know what? Far more people die from accidental pool electrocutions due to bad wiring than lighting (yes, I know this may be due to people getting out of the pool and avoiding death).
Re:Mom Handcuffed, Jailed for 8-Year-Old Son Walking Half a ... by beaned on Wednesday November 16, 2022 @12:59PM (#33627540)
I'm not sure of the statistics, but even so, it's something you have more control over than a lightning strike.

Edit: at first glance I'm not sure the numbers are right...

Google says: "Lightning damage in the U.S. [...] In 2021, there were a total of 11 fatalities and 69 injuries reported due to lighting in the United States."

Also: "In the United States, an estimated 460,000 children are reported missing every year. Federal Bureau of Investigation, NCIC."

Edit again to be more specific: Many of the "goes missing" doesn't mean kidnaps, and according to wikipedia, "The vast majority of child abduction cases in the United States are parental kidnapping".

However it also says: "Fewer than 350 people under the age of 21 have been abducted by strangers in the United States per year, on average, between 2010–2017."

This number is still a high multiple of the number of people (not just children) struck by lightning each year.

Re:Mom Handcuffed, Jailed for 8-Year-Old Son Walking Half a ... by kube-system on Wednesday November 16, 2022 @02:42PM (#33629370)
My uninformed guess is that a not insignificant percentage of "children reported missing" are teenagers who run away or stay out past the time they were supposed to return home.

One must remember that about 11% of children are eligible for a drivers license.

Re:Mom Handcuffed, Jailed for 8-Year-Old Son Walking Half a ... by beaned on Wednesday November 16, 2022 @04:51PM (#33631268)
Yes, this is why I updated the comment with the "abducted by strangers" statistic.
Re:Mom Handcuffed, Jailed for 8-Year-Old Son Walking Half a ... by kgeist on Wednesday November 16, 2022 @01:50PM (#33628435)
>According to statistics cited by the NCMEC, most missing children are abducted by relatives or parents

It's safer to be around strangers than relatives, when it comes to kidnapping.

Re:Mom Handcuffed, Jailed for 8-Year-Old Son Walking Half a ... by csours on Wednesday November 16, 2022 @02:38PM (#33629285)
10 yard penalty, review logical fallacies, other team gets the ball.

https://xkcd.com/1138/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Base_rate_fallacy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecological_fallacy

Children spend waaaay more time around parents and relatives.

Same reason why you are more likely to be killed by an intimate partner than a stranger. (This is not monocausal, and I do not mean to imply that simply spending time with someone will cause a crime)

Re:Mom Handcuffed, Jailed for 8-Year-Old Son Walking Half a ... by Stevvo on Wednesday November 16, 2022 @02:47PM (#33629441)
Do they really though? In a lot of families kids are at school, then driven off to soccer/dance/whatever in a lot of other time.
Re:Mom Handcuffed, Jailed for 8-Year-Old Son Walking Half a ... by csours on Wednesday November 16, 2022 @03:05PM (#33629717)
It really depends on the exact framing of the question.

Are children safer ALONE with a random stranger or with a family member? Why is the child alone with a random stranger?

There are some broad daylight kidnappings, but they are relatively rare. They are relatively rare because it's much easier for a kidnapper to abscond with someone who trusts them.

Re:Mom Handcuffed, Jailed for 8-Year-Old Son Walking Half a ... by dsfyu404ed on Wednesday November 16, 2022 @02:36PM (#33629247)
I wonder how much of that is because we've watered down the definition of "kidnapping" to include "non-custodial parent takes off with the kid"
Re:Mom Handcuffed, Jailed for 8-Year-Old Son Walking Half a ... by warinukraine on Wednesday November 16, 2022 @05:27PM (#33631767)
You're being tricked by sampling bias.

It's safer to be around strangers than relatives in every study's sampling, because most people don't leave their kids with strangers. They spend most of their time with relatives, friends and acquaintances. If they did spend as much time with strangers as with relatives, you'd conclude it's safer to be around relatives.

It's like saying cyanide is safe because most people don't die from cyanide. Yeah, because most people don't take cyanide.

Re:Mom Handcuffed, Jailed for 8-Year-Old Son Walking Half a ... by dekhn on Wednesday November 16, 2022 @01:44PM (#33628337)
It's true that parents live in fear of their child being taken (and blamed for some action/inaction that allowed it to occur). Generally it seems like Americans have developed a strong aversion to 'being considered at fault for an adverse event'.

It took me quite some effort to overcome that but I made it easier by reading the statistics on child deaths and other crimes.

Re:Mom Handcuffed, Jailed for 8-Year-Old Son Walking Half a ... by iceburgcrm on Wednesday November 16, 2022 @02:02PM (#33628638)
The odds of winning the lottery are better. The odds would be one in millions for getting scooped off the street by a random person and slightly more common if the kidnapper happened to be a parent.
Re:Mom Handcuffed, Jailed for 8-Year-Old Son Walking Half a ... by cortesoft on Wednesday November 16, 2022 @02:07PM (#33628715)
People are downvoting you because the one in a thousand number is off by a few orders of magnitude.
Re:Mom Handcuffed, Jailed for 8-Year-Old Son Walking Half a ... by darkarmani on Wednesday November 16, 2022 @04:02PM (#33630523)
You think that 0.1% of kids are kidnapped while walking?
Re:Mom Handcuffed, Jailed for 8-Year-Old Son Walking Half a ... by jeddy3 on Wednesday November 16, 2022 @05:15PM (#33631613)
First of all, "one out of a thousand" is grossly wrong.

And yeah, of course nobody wants that, but you can't take away a healthy part of growing up because of that.

Re:Mom Handcuffed, Jailed for 8-Year-Old Son Walking Half a ... by obscurette on Thursday November 17, 2022 @12:13PM (#33642130)
Yes, I don't want to be this one parent. But it's many orders of magnitude more likely that I handicap my kids if I don't let my kids explore the world with (reasonable) freedom.

PS. I'm a father of three girls and live in Europe. Kids here navigate on their own with public transport if needed between home/school/etc since the age of 6.