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Re:Mom Handcuffed, Jailed for 8-Year-Old Son Walking Half a ... by kelseyfrog on Wednesday November 16, 2022 @12:49PM (#33627336)
> who in their right mind calls the cops on a kid walking around his own neighborhood?

I wish I knew. My children have had the cops called on them for playing in our front yard. I wish they could spend their afternoons climbing trees and playing in the grass like I did growing up, but there's a group of people who see children playing outside of direct parent supervision as a categorically dangerous activity.

I'm always struck when I take my kids to school and see the high schoolers gathered around waiting for their bus to pick them up. You wouldn't even know they exist otherwise - there's no other signs of their existence, no groups of them playing at the park, no sounds of games in the streets, no hoots or hollers from down the block - just nothing, silence. Each house is an island and each teen a castaway from 4pm when they get home to 7am when they leave for school, severed from the neighborhood and each other while the same folks say, "How come kids don't play outside anymore?"

Re:Mom Handcuffed, Jailed for 8-Year-Old Son Walking Half a ... by kentm on Wednesday November 16, 2022 @01:28PM (#33628043)
This is a serious worry of mine. I often let my elementary kids walk home from school by themselves because we live close enough and they have good sense around what little traffic there is. But I always worry that someone will throw a fit about it. I worry about that a LOT more than kidnappers.
Re:Mom Handcuffed, Jailed for 8-Year-Old Son Walking Half a ... by ajford on Wednesday November 16, 2022 @05:14PM (#33631607)
Same. I let my kids walk about 0.5mi to the park and I'm more afraid of some nosey busy-body calling CPS on them than I am about traffic or kidnappers.

When I was growing up in the 90s, I'd routinely bike many miles away from home and disappear for hours before I came home. Nowadays letting your kids do that is liable to get CPS called on you.

How the heck did we end up here?!

Re:Mom Handcuffed, Jailed for 8-Year-Old Son Walking Half a ... by midoridensha on Wednesday November 16, 2022 @08:19PM (#33633650)
>How the heck did we end up here?!

In my view, America as a society became paranoid after 9/11. What you're seeing is a symptom of this. It isn't like this in other countries: kids walk around by themselves all the time.

Re:Mom Handcuffed, Jailed for 8-Year-Old Son Walking Half a ... by orwin on Wednesday November 16, 2022 @09:13PM (#33634059)
I think it's the suburbs effect.

I've been in one of the most rural county of West Virginia, i saw kids outside each time i left the "house".

Re:Mom Handcuffed, Jailed for 8-Year-Old Son Walking Half a ... by midoridensha on Thursday November 17, 2022 @01:47AM (#33635771)
If it's the suburbs effect, then it's been very slow to come to this point, because America has had subdivisions since the 1950s. Back in the 80s and 90s, what we're reading about here never happened.
Re:Mom Handcuffed, Jailed for 8-Year-Old Son Walking Half a ... by TheHappyOddish on Tuesday November 29, 2022 @03:48PM (#33793070)
Also, most other western countries have been suburbanised just as long and don't have this madness.
Re:Mom Handcuffed, Jailed for 8-Year-Old Son Walking Half a ... by BeefWellington on Wednesday November 16, 2022 @11:03PM (#33634810)
> In my view, America as a society became paranoid after 9/11.

Oh, it was on this track well before 9/11. Satanic Panic and Stranger Danger as concepts were there long before terrorist attacks on American soil, for a lot longer duration, and were largely explicitly about the dangers to children.

I don't know how accurate it is, but an FBI investigator by the name of Ken Lanning links Satanic Panic to the development of X-Rays and the discovery by doctors of evidence of rampant child abuse.[1] The idea being that people just couldn't accept that kids were being abused at such high rates at home, therefore there must be this secretive "other" harming the children.

People have been primed by the media to be this paranoid for a long time, because it gets attention.

[1]: https://newsinteractives.cbc.ca/longform/satanic-panic

Re:Mom Handcuffed, Jailed for 8-Year-Old Son Walking Half a ... by kickout on Wednesday November 16, 2022 @01:05PM (#33627656)
This, unfortunately, mimics my experiences. No idea when or how it happened, but it is noticeable
Re:Mom Handcuffed, Jailed for 8-Year-Old Son Walking Half a ... by soco on Wednesday November 16, 2022 @01:20PM (#33627901)
In Switzerland you'd get called by the teacher if you don't let your kid walk by itself to kindergarten, because independence and learning and all.
Re:Mom Handcuffed, Jailed for 8-Year-Old Son Walking Half a ... by jakewins on Wednesday November 16, 2022 @01:36PM (#33628174)
We just moved to Sweden from Missouri; yesterday I picked up our 3yo from daycare and had this exchange:

Kid: <Happily playing with clay>

Teacher: Oh, by the way, he fell out of a small tree today, he was climbing and fell, so he may have a small bruise, just so you are aware

Me: Oh ok. What tree?

Teacher: Oh we took them to <forest 5 miles from daycare> and grilled hot dogs today!

Kid: I found a snail!

Re:Mom Handcuffed, Jailed for 8-Year-Old Son Walking Half a ... by I-Robot on Wednesday November 16, 2022 @01:58PM (#33628558)
God! This is so AWESOME!!! Freedom
Re:Mom Handcuffed, Jailed for 8-Year-Old Son Walking Half a ... by LaLaLand122 on Wednesday November 16, 2022 @03:27PM (#33630036)
I have visited nurseries that don't let kids go out to the playground when it rains... in the UK! I suspect some of my child classmates were Gremlins.
Re:Mom Handcuffed, Jailed for 8-Year-Old Son Walking Half a ... by soco on Wednesday November 16, 2022 @04:29PM (#33630917)
Wednesday is forest trip day, weather schmeather. Once after a stormy Wednesday the kindergarten stayed closed for the rest of the week as most of the involved - kids and educators - got a cold. Still Switzerland yes.
Re:Mom Handcuffed, Jailed for 8-Year-Old Son Walking Half a ... by necovek on Wednesday November 16, 2022 @06:06PM (#33632269)
LOL. We've got Gremlins here in Belgrade, Serbia too.

But in my kid's preschool (for 5-6 year olds), when they were presenting a plan for this year and how they'll be crossing the street to another of their buildings for a few hours, one of the parents was worried they'll do that even if it rains or snows!

When asked how will they bring their kid to preschool not dressed for the elements, it was (not-surprisingly) "by car". I guess going outside is limited to sunny weather for their kids!

Re:Mom Handcuffed, Jailed for 8-Year-Old Son Walking Half a ... by Markoff on Thursday November 17, 2022 @07:48AM (#33638152)
To be fair I have nothing against this especially in kindergarten's muddy garden, everything will be completely dirty and kids wet, some of them may not have change and even in free time I am not really fan of playing outside in rain, everything is slipper, easy to fall down and make yourself dirty or hurt yourself when climbing on slippery stuff. I don't mind if they go for walk in waterproof stuff in rain.
Re:Mom Handcuffed, Jailed for 8-Year-Old Son Walking Half a ... by courgette on Wednesday November 16, 2022 @03:38PM (#33630165)
Have you seen the open recess space ? ( kids playing in a non enclosed area, just delimited with poles )
Re:Mom Handcuffed, Jailed for 8-Year-Old Son Walking Half a ... by mkopinsky on Thursday November 17, 2022 @09:48AM (#33639579)
How did they get to that forest 5 miles away?
Re:Mom Handcuffed, Jailed for 8-Year-Old Son Walking Half a ... by jakewins on Thursday November 17, 2022 @10:09AM (#33639890)
The city has buses specifically equipped for small kids / toddlers, which the various daycares take turns using
Re:Mom Handcuffed, Jailed for 8-Year-Old Son Walking Half a ... by alcover on Wednesday November 16, 2022 @01:16PM (#33627837)
Could it be the deluge of televised fear-inducing content ? A great deal anxiety feeds on this distorted view of "what's happening".

But go and have a walk. What do you see "happening" ? nothing.

Re:Mom Handcuffed, Jailed for 8-Year-Old Son Walking Half a ... by noahtallen on Wednesday November 16, 2022 @02:58PM (#33629585)
Well, part of the problem is our infrastructure choices over the past many decades. When you build suburbs that are very isolated from places you need to go and then need to drive to literally everything you do, nearly everyone starts viewing normal activities like walking to a grocery store as abnormal. As a result, kids can’t actually go anywhere until they turn 16 and get a car. :/

There are a lot of excellent videos about this sad problem, like this: https://youtu.be/oHlpmxLTxpw

But at the end of the day, when it’s not actually possible to be independent every day, you just loose this culture. And countries that made different infrastructure and development decisions 6 decades ago are in a much better place today — it doesn’t have to be this way.

Re:Mom Handcuffed, Jailed for 8-Year-Old Son Walking Half a ... by chromanoid on Wednesday November 16, 2022 @04:45PM (#33631156)
I think this is a very important point. City planning/the space we live in is basically presetting the architecture of our daily life.
Re:Mom Handcuffed, Jailed for 8-Year-Old Son Walking Half a ... by ishjoh on Wednesday November 16, 2022 @01:15PM (#33627819)
Of the high school and jr high kids I know, for most of them their life is on their phone. It doesn't cover that age group but I thought this graph was pretty interesting:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1310218/time-spent-using...

Generally the younger you are the more likely you are to be a heavy user of your phone. There is no data for it but I would expect that high school and jr high kids are probably even higher users than 18 - 34.

Re:Mom Handcuffed, Jailed for 8-Year-Old Son Walking Half a ... by soco on Wednesday November 16, 2022 @01:18PM (#33627866)
Because what else there's left to do? Getting your family arrested for playing in the front yard or walking to your friend or hanging in a parking lot? So we destroyed all fun activities then we're still complaining they don't do any fun activities?
Re:Mom Handcuffed, Jailed for 8-Year-Old Son Walking Half a ... by kelseyfrog on Wednesday November 16, 2022 @02:59PM (#33629600)
I agree that we've destroyed all of the third spaces. It's also important to point that those that didn't literally get razed to the ground have been monetized. There are very few third spaces left that are free to engage with. There's either the real threat of "buy something or get out," or the social expectation to do so. This impacts teens especially so because their money must either come from their parents ie: "Mom can I have five dollars to spend on going to <place> with <friend>?" which is an impediment to spending real relationship building time with peers or they have to get a job to earn such money which precludes them from going out in the first place.

As a footnote: Yes, I know this seems fairly reductive and there's a lot of nuance left on the table. A single counter example won't change my mind because I'm talking about tendencies instead of black or white expression.

Re:Mom Handcuffed, Jailed for 8-Year-Old Son Walking Half a ... by jasonladuke0311 on Wednesday November 16, 2022 @03:49PM (#33630345)
Yeah no shit. There are numerous videos on Instagram of teens literally being physically assaulted by 50-70 year old "adults" for skateboarding.
Re:Mom Handcuffed, Jailed for 8-Year-Old Son Walking Half a ... by brightball on Wednesday November 16, 2022 @01:27PM (#33628019)
Is there some type of penalty/law for intentionally using the police to harass people?
Re:Mom Handcuffed, Jailed for 8-Year-Old Son Walking Half a ... by jstarfish on Wednesday November 16, 2022 @01:40PM (#33628261)
"Abuse of emergency services," but this isn't that.
Re:Mom Handcuffed, Jailed for 8-Year-Old Son Walking Half a ... by actionfromafar on Wednesday November 16, 2022 @03:14PM (#33629857)
Sounds exactly like that.
Re:Mom Handcuffed, Jailed for 8-Year-Old Son Walking Half a ... by zhdc1 on Wednesday November 16, 2022 @01:58PM (#33628565)
My son is expected to walk to and from school without parental support once he starts kindergarten.

We don't live in the states.

Re:Mom Handcuffed, Jailed for 8-Year-Old Son Walking Half a ... by ddalex on Wednesday November 16, 2022 @03:51PM (#33630375)
Switzerland ? One of the places that is somewhat normal...
Re:Mom Handcuffed, Jailed for 8-Year-Old Son Walking Half a ... by felixfurtak on Wednesday November 16, 2022 @04:36PM (#33631041)
My kids, ages 8 and 6 walk 2 km home from school on their own. New Zealand, largest city. It's definitely fairly normal here.

It's hard to fathom that this could be considered illegal.

Re:Mom Handcuffed, Jailed for 8-Year-Old Son Walking Half a ... by Mandatum on Wednesday November 16, 2022 @06:30PM (#33632548)
Do you do a school walking train? If not, be careful. Under 14 unsupervised, even walking home, is illegal. Some parents have started reporting this to schools in AKL and WEL.
Re:Mom Handcuffed, Jailed for 8-Year-Old Son Walking Half a ... by metadat on Wednesday November 16, 2022 @07:03PM (#33632909)
This sounds insane.

What fun is it being a kid if you can't explore? That was the only really good part, otherwise childhood and adolescence is mostly suffering.

Wasted youth.

Re:Mom Handcuffed, Jailed for 8-Year-Old Son Walking Half a ... by Mandatum on Wednesday November 16, 2022 @07:19PM (#33633086)
They only legislated this in the 80's directly after the US serial killer craze started. Golden State Killer, Son of Sam, Hillside Stranglers, Ted Bundy, etc.

Richard Ramirez became popular a few years after the law was enforced, and at that point it solidified for everyone "this was the right decision".

Many parents in the 90's let their kids walk home alone, and explore their neighbourhoods on their own.. And even today it's popular in rural areas. But the nature of where people live now is more related to cost of living and jobs, which everyone changes every few years - so nobody knows their neighbours or their community.

Now it's normal to shame parents who do this. And schools automatically notify the authorities if they're told about it.

Would kids get taken away from parents for this? Unlikely, legislation only pushes a $2,000 fine.

Yes, kids have been abducted in New Zealand. Yes, kids have been assaulted in New Zealand. It is a possibility.

Re:Mom Handcuffed, Jailed for 8-Year-Old Son Walking Half a ... by metadat on Wednesday November 16, 2022 @07:25PM (#33633155)
I grew up in the Bay Area in the 90s and we were allowed to roam as free as we wanted. Sometimes we were a bit naughty but nothing too too crazy.

Everything is a possibility, it's all about the statistical probability of a bad outcome actually happening.

Someone could break into my house and murder me at any moment. I still don't wander around with a bat or a club because such events are sufficiently rare here in West Menlo Park.

When I was a kid, it seemed like adults were idiots by and large.

Now as I'm getting a bit more ahem, experienced, my perception is regressing back towards this hypothesis.

Why are the karens winning? :/

Re:Mom Handcuffed, Jailed for 8-Year-Old Son Walking Half a ... by Matthias247 on Wednesday November 16, 2022 @04:20PM (#33630803)
Also normal in germany. At least for elementary school (which is after kindergarden). My guess would be that it's normal in other european countries.
Re:Mom Handcuffed, Jailed for 8-Year-Old Son Walking Half a ... by twiddling on Wednesday November 16, 2022 @07:04PM (#33632922)
Heck I was riding the U-bahn at age 11
Re:Mom Handcuffed, Jailed for 8-Year-Old Son Walking Half a ... by Matthias247 on Wednesday November 16, 2022 @07:20PM (#33633093)
I grew up on the countryside. Elementary school was in a different town. I had to walk 500m to the bus station and then take the school bus each day at age 7. At age 11 it was then secondary school, which included a longer walk to a different bus station and taking a public bus instead of a pure school bus.
Re:Mom Handcuffed, Jailed for 8-Year-Old Son Walking Half a ... by rayrey on Wednesday November 16, 2022 @10:12PM (#33634470)
Yeah that blew me away when I was stationed (GI) in Frankfurt, all the kids riding the trains and streetcars to school.
Re:Mom Handcuffed, Jailed for 8-Year-Old Son Walking Half a ... by Zvez on Wednesday November 16, 2022 @04:06PM (#33630600)
actually this is more than normal in all 3rd world countries. Starting from 6-7 years most kids walk to/from school on their own.
Re:Mom Handcuffed, Jailed for 8-Year-Old Son Walking Half a ... by cypress66 on Wednesday November 16, 2022 @04:37PM (#33631051)
> in all 3rd world countries

Not true.

Re:Mom Handcuffed, Jailed for 8-Year-Old Son Walking Half a ... by notch656a on Wednesday November 16, 2022 @05:15PM (#33631618)
Yeah I have family from the Philippines. They are very protective of daughters.

I went to visit the village. I was walking in the backroads and a dude with 2 machetes and one eye walked up to me in the road while he was roasting a fucking dog over a fire.

I told him nice machetes. He didn't seem to understand, so I just pointed at his machetes and smiled. Fortunately he seemed disarmed once I confidently showed I found the whole thing amusing, and just gestured towards available dog to eat.

The lesson of their protectiveness was learned.

Re:Mom Handcuffed, Jailed for 8-Year-Old Son Walking Half a ... by 0xedd on Wednesday November 16, 2022 @08:03PM (#33633520)
Yes, the poverty stricken parents have all the time in the world to walk their kids around all day. /s

They'd be lucky to even have two live parents and in the picture.

Re:Mom Handcuffed, Jailed for 8-Year-Old Son Walking Half a ... by cypress66 on Thursday November 17, 2022 @03:09PM (#33644905)
You have some really deep knowledge of what 3rd world countries are like.

Please continue and tell me more about the topic.

Re:Mom Handcuffed, Jailed for 8-Year-Old Son Walking Half a ... by Markoff on Thursday November 17, 2022 @06:40AM (#33637570)
I'd go even that far that 7-9 yo kids in Vietnam, Laos or Thailand already ride motorbike (scooter) at that age, I crashed because of them once in Laos (on the way to Plain of jars), just suddenly stopped in front of me on dusty road, I stopped as well, but sadly I had passenger behind me who balanced in other direction, so we flipped to side when bike slipped a bit.
Re:Mom Handcuffed, Jailed for 8-Year-Old Son Walking Half a ... by axxto on Wednesday November 16, 2022 @07:44PM (#33633355)
Very normal in Spain, too
Re:Mom Handcuffed, Jailed for 8-Year-Old Son Walking Half a ... by 0xedd on Wednesday November 16, 2022 @07:58PM (#33633479)
Middle East.
Re:Mom Handcuffed, Jailed for 8-Year-Old Son Walking Half a ... by midoridensha on Wednesday November 16, 2022 @08:22PM (#33633670)
Very normal in Japan. Kids that age routine take subways around Tokyo by themselves, ride bikes by themselves, etc.

As usual, America is the weird one, perhaps with some other Anglophone nations following suit.

Re:Mom Handcuffed, Jailed for 8-Year-Old Son Walking Half a ... by Markoff on Thursday November 17, 2022 @06:28AM (#33637465)
Some of my kids 7yo classmates already walk to school ~1km in Prague by themselves in pairs, I guess alone it would be boring, personally I don't mind having at least morning walk to/from school since for the rest of the day I may sit next to desk, asked my kids if he wants to go by himself, he said no, but I guess when I will walk my younger daughter they can go back home together. Only thing I am really affraid is them crossing the road, I am certainly not affraid about anyone kidnapping them or other nonsense.

Recently when going by tram with kids somewhere I saw ~8-9yo girl travelling by herself seeing her confused started to cry, so I approached her, she said she is going wrong direction, told her to get off with us and then just directed her to right tram in different direction and went with my kids own way. Told her it's not big deal, she just lost few minutes and it can happen anyone to confuse tram numbers. Before COVID I used to approach tourists going in direction to my home since many of them went wrong direction, but surprisingly often I am met with German tourists who like riding trams whole line back and forth, I've had this hobby with Beijing subway lines when I lived there.

Actually my father (from small 40K town) came to visit just yesterday and he also took tram in wrong direction, realized it after 3 stops, but had problem to get back since there was no stop in opposite direction nearby, which happens with some stops, usually you just need to cross the road/tracks.

Re:Mom Handcuffed, Jailed for 8-Year-Old Son Walking Half a ... by PragmaticPulp on Wednesday November 16, 2022 @02:13PM (#33628805)
> My children have had the cops called on them for playing in our front yard.

Where do you live?

Whenever I read these stories it feels like I live on a different planet from everyone else.

Re:Mom Handcuffed, Jailed for 8-Year-Old Son Walking Half a ... by kelseyfrog on Wednesday November 16, 2022 @02:37PM (#33629270)
I live in a vast Californian suburb dominated by single family residences built in the 90s. The homes are priced around the median for the area. The residents are split about 50/50 politically and racially plural. The majority are married and earn ever so slightly below median income. It's about as average as you can get.

Note: I looked up these stats to make sure I got them right. They are mostly at the voting precinct, and census BG level, but I'm abstaining from posting them for obvious reasons.

Re:Mom Handcuffed, Jailed for 8-Year-Old Son Walking Half a ... by SoftTalker on Wednesday November 16, 2022 @03:09PM (#33629772)
Move to a sane state.

I live in the midwest, in a smaller town. You still see kids playing in the neighborhood and parks and running around. Kids walk and bike to school. Nobody would call the cops over a kid walking by himself unless he looked to be lost or in distress.

Re:Mom Handcuffed, Jailed for 8-Year-Old Son Walking Half a ... by notch656a on Wednesday November 16, 2022 @03:29PM (#33630051)
Yeah I lived in the midwest and there are roaming bands of ~10 year olds who are legit criminals, ripping off and stealing things from myself and other neighbors and basically living independently outside of school and sleeping at home.

Cops and CPS can't be bothered (note I never personally called them, although I have had to address the children directly to ask them to stop stealing from my house). I still prefer that to a "safe" place where my kids have to risk getting ripped away from their parents for walking to a park.

The key to not dealing with police is moving to a high crime area with a weak police presence. These kind of CPS paranoia stuff is generally not enforced in places that are actually less safe for children. If the area is safe, that's when CPS/police will have the time to focus on you to call it unsafe. That is, kids aren't really safe from CPS of accusing them of being unsafe unless it is actually unsafe, in which case authorities never responded in the first place because CPS and the police are busy visiting an abandoned crack-baby.

Re:Mom Handcuffed, Jailed for 8-Year-Old Son Walking Half a ... by kelseyfrog on Wednesday November 16, 2022 @03:49PM (#33630335)
Sorry, but my life is more complicated than "move to a sane state." I would have to put a child of mine into an abusive household and subject myself to fewer legal protections because if who I am. It's ok to live somewhere and observe and critique it. I'm a multifaceted individual whose writings on a very narrow topic cannot be reduced to "move." Thank you for sharing your experience though.
Re:Mom Handcuffed, Jailed for 8-Year-Old Son Walking Half a ... by fanatic2pope on Wednesday November 16, 2022 @10:44PM (#33634675)
I live in suburban Ohio and had the same thing happen to my family. My son was playing by himself in the front yard. Someone called the cops, they walked him to my door and they lectured me about "watching" my kid.
Re:Mom Handcuffed, Jailed for 8-Year-Old Son Walking Half a ... by withinboredom on Thursday November 17, 2022 @05:50AM (#33637230)
It’s a shame you can’t press charges on or sue that person for attempted child abduction. Sure, they took the child to your front door, but you didn’t give them permission to do that. They are not the guardian and they had to trespass to do so.
Re:Mom Handcuffed, Jailed for 8-Year-Old Son Walking Half a ... by mrexroad on Thursday November 17, 2022 @04:14AM (#33636591)
Fwiw, I live in California as well, Bay Area specifically. My elementary school kid walks ~2/3mi from school (with a friend) and my middle schooler bikes a few miles to school solo. So do many of their friends. It’s the norm in my neighborhood.
Re:Mom Handcuffed, Jailed for 8-Year-Old Son Walking Half a ... by meowfly on Friday November 18, 2022 @07:26PM (#33665095)
Utah has a free range parenting law on their books.

https://www.npr.org/2018/04/01/598630200/utah-passes-free-ra...

Re:Mom Handcuffed, Jailed for 8-Year-Old Son Walking Half a ... by christophilus on Wednesday November 16, 2022 @02:13PM (#33628809)
> but there's a group of people who see children playing outside of direct parent supervision as a categorically dangerous activity

We can broaden that a bit to: “There’s an ever growing group of people who think they can and should be the arbiter of other people’s behavior.”

Everyone needs to learn to mind their own fucking business.

Re:Mom Handcuffed, Jailed for 8-Year-Old Son Walking Half a ... by paperwasp42 on Wednesday November 16, 2022 @07:24PM (#33633152)
Kudos to you for bucking the trend and encouraging your kids to do things like spending afternoons romping around outside!

Complete anecdata, but the parents in my close friend group are split between "parents with a more free-range kid mindset" and "typical upper-middle-class parental paranoia."

The free-range kids are mostly happy-go-lucky, emotionally stable, and thriving. Almost every single kid over the age of 10 with paranoid parents is diagnosed with a mental health condition of some sort. I mean I literally can only think of one who is not in therapy or taking medication. I think the isolation and lack of unsupervised group activities that you describe is a big part of it.

One of my more paranoid friends made a judgmental comment recently regarding my other friend's daughter not being in therapy. I was extremely confused and asked if the kiddo was having emotional issues. Her response was, "Well not yet, but 12 is a very stressful age, and I think that when you have the money to do so, it's just good parenting to ensure your kid is talking to a therapist on a regular basis."

The level of paranoia needed to believe that every single perfectly stable 12-year-old needs weekly visits with a mental health professional to ensure their health and safety, and that not supplying this is neglectful, is just... bizarre.

I cannot help but believe this sort of behavior is severely damaging the psyche of these kids. And I also don't see how it can't be hurting the parents as well. Imagine how incredibly stressful it must be to be a parent who believes every stranger, every walk around the block, and every pre-teen mood swing is a serious danger to their child.

Re:Mom Handcuffed, Jailed for 8-Year-Old Son Walking Half a ... by origin_path on Thursday November 17, 2022 @04:42AM (#33636754)
Our society is way too tolerant of that kind of behavior. It's similar to how there are still occasional people wearing masks, even outdoors. It needs to become socially acceptable to tell people they're being paranoid and weird, in the same way they feel it's acceptable to tell others they're not paranoid enough.
Re:Mom Handcuffed, Jailed for 8-Year-Old Son Walking Half a ... by paperwasp42 on Thursday November 17, 2022 @03:06PM (#33644860)
Masks are a bit trickier, since some people are severely immunocompromised or have loved ones who are immunocompromised. If you are undergoing chemo, or your parent is on hospice care, it actually makes sense to keep wearing a mask everywhere, and doctors are encouraging this (not just to defend against COVID germs, but all germs).

But as for outside masks, I agree, it's just straight up unscientific. Especially when people are wearing flimsy cloth masks that do little to ward off COVID germs in the first place! Although I know some people keep them on outside if they're walking between buildings, just because it's easier than taking it on/off constantly.

So anyway, masks kind of fall into that category of "I ain't gonna judge if I don't know your exact situation."

But I agree, it would be nice to be able to tell my friends who are perfectly healthy with no at-risk loved ones, hey, you really don't need to keep wearing a mask outside for the rest of your life. Both because it's silly, and because it seems genuinely damaging to their mental health... I have a couple friends who still get anxious/upset when someone gets within 6 feet of them without a mask on, and it's just a needlessly stressful way to live that is taking a very, very serious toll on their mental health.

Re:Mom Handcuffed, Jailed for 8-Year-Old Son Walking Half a ... by honkycat on Wednesday November 16, 2022 @07:50PM (#33633402)
We basically jail our children at this point.

It was like this when I was in high school as well: There is no place where young people are allowed to gather and explore their personalities.

Re:Mom Handcuffed, Jailed for 8-Year-Old Son Walking Half a ... by menomatter on Sunday November 20, 2022 @03:31PM (#33684945)
Kids from the project/poor neighborhood in metro cities still do this to a dangerous extent. I dunno what's a good balanced approach ..