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Re:The fall of Sam Bankman-Fried is crypto’s Enron moment by memish on Tuesday November 15, 2022 @11:16PM (#33618773)
He's still posting on Twitter as though this is going to blow over. I don't get it. Is there a chance nothing is going to happen? What kind of advice is he getting?

"I’m meeting in-person with regulators and working with the teams to do what we can for customers." https://twitter.com/SBF_FTX/status/1592604699693580289

"So what can I try to do? Raise liquidity, make customers whole, and restart." https://twitter.com/SBF_FTX/status/1592710177152995328

Re:The fall of Sam Bankman-Fried is crypto’s Enron moment by nwiswell on Tuesday November 15, 2022 @11:22PM (#33618808)
If you just went from "famous decabillionaire" to "probable felon" in the span of a week, you'd probably be in cope mode too
Re:The fall of Sam Bankman-Fried is crypto’s Enron moment by hn_throwaway_99 on Tuesday November 15, 2022 @11:40PM (#33618943)
2 points:

1. His tweet thread made me throw up in my mouth a bit. Blaming it on "liquidity" is laughable. Liquidity problems would be like "I own a lot of real estate and it would take me a long time to sell". Alameda's problem was a huge chunk of its balance sheet was FTT - it was fundamentally impossible to ever liquidate those tokens without guaranteeing to tank the price of FTT. Never mind the whole issue that customer funds were never legally his to loan to Alameda in the first place, regardless of crypto regulations or lack thereof. What happened to customer funds was simply theft.

2. I'm not a psychologist, so I don't necessarily want to misuse the term "sociopath", but I have seen this trait in some people that is closely linked to a lack of conscience. That is, I would have never been able to do what SBF and gang did by stealing customer funds to prop up Alameda. And it's not because I'm some wonderfully moral person, it's because I would have become physically ill with guilt and lack of sleep. This is also why I'll never be able to run a large company or handle billions of assets - it would just be too much stress for me. There is a fine line between needing to have a healthy detachment from consequences you may cause, and being a sociopath. The more I hear from SBF just the more I'm convinced he's not on the "healthy detachment" side of things.

Re:The fall of Sam Bankman-Fried is crypto’s Enron moment by marshmallowmad on Tuesday November 15, 2022 @11:22PM (#33618806)
He seems to be deep into denial. I can’t imagine what’s going on in his mind right now.
Re:The fall of Sam Bankman-Fried is crypto’s Enron moment by arkis22 on Tuesday November 15, 2022 @11:32PM (#33618876)
I think that based on his enthusiasm to invest in Elon's takeover of Twitter he thought he was a big dog. He thinks he's a celebrity billionaire. He's still calling people to invest in his companies, which is like lighting money on fire because it's all going to be withdrawn immediately. He is clueless.
Re:The fall of Sam Bankman-Fried is crypto’s Enron moment by marshmallowmad on Tuesday November 15, 2022 @11:37PM (#33618912)
I would pay to hear some of these conversations of him asking for more money right now. I wonder if people just start laughing or try to tell him the truth.
Re:The fall of Sam Bankman-Fried is crypto’s Enron moment by hunterb123 on Tuesday November 15, 2022 @11:46PM (#33618978)
> based on his enthusiasm to invest in Elon's takeover of Twitter

Could you explain what you meant by this?

Re:The fall of Sam Bankman-Fried is crypto’s Enron moment by imron on Tuesday November 15, 2022 @11:58PM (#33619076)
Re:The fall of Sam Bankman-Fried is crypto’s Enron moment by spyder on Wednesday November 16, 2022 @05:04AM (#33620874)
Well there is people who would still invest in him with the condition of tighter control / regulation despite already losing money in this shitshow :-D. But it's probably just a crazy coping mechanism for being involved:

https://cryptopotato.com/despite-ftx-bankruptcy-kevin-oleary...

Re:The fall of Sam Bankman-Fried is crypto’s Enron moment by gscott on Tuesday November 15, 2022 @11:24PM (#33618821)
I would move to Sealand asap.
Re:The fall of Sam Bankman-Fried is crypto’s Enron moment by badrabbit on Tuesday November 15, 2022 @11:36PM (#33618911)
You will get invaded. Ecuador,Iran, Venezuella(maybe not so much there) or Russia are better.
Re:The fall of Sam Bankman-Fried is crypto’s Enron moment by frozenport on Tuesday November 15, 2022 @11:23PM (#33618817)
"these drugs made me dumb"
Re:The fall of Sam Bankman-Fried is crypto’s Enron moment by braingenious on Tuesday November 15, 2022 @11:25PM (#33618829)
I’d probably just up my dosage if I were in his position. This looks like a terrible moment to sober up.
Re:The fall of Sam Bankman-Fried is crypto’s Enron moment by marshmallowmad on Tuesday November 15, 2022 @11:33PM (#33618882)
It appears that he may have upped his dosage. And him acting like he can recover is from the drugs. To act like this after clearly committing crimes visible by tens of millions of people, and just getting torn apart for it online. I wish I was this confident!
Re:The fall of Sam Bankman-Fried is crypto’s Enron moment by braingenious on Tuesday November 15, 2022 @11:36PM (#33618909)
> I wish I was this confident!

I’m over a decade sober, but fyi this is available to you if you just buy some meth or bath salts!

Re:The fall of Sam Bankman-Fried is crypto’s Enron moment by DonHopkins on Tuesday November 15, 2022 @11:32PM (#33618872)
He thinks he can just Trump right through it.
Re:The fall of Sam Bankman-Fried is crypto’s Enron moment by nemo44x on Tuesday November 15, 2022 @11:27PM (#33618847)
That’s all I can conjure too. Or he’s calling in his political donations, etc.
Re:The fall of Sam Bankman-Fried is crypto’s Enron moment by tuesdayrain on Tuesday November 15, 2022 @11:54PM (#33619042)
>I can’t imagine what’s going on in his mind right now.

Massive amounts of Selegiline, probably.

Re:The fall of Sam Bankman-Fried is crypto’s Enron moment by ALittleLight on Tuesday November 15, 2022 @11:27PM (#33618848)
I don't understand how he could hope to raise money if his idea is "We return it to the people I stole from." I have no doubt that, like Adam Neumann, there is some circumstance where VCs would give him another turn, but it would be because those VCs thought they could make money, not because they want to donate their money to make SBF's victims whole.
Re:The fall of Sam Bankman-Fried is crypto’s Enron moment by fourstar on Tuesday November 15, 2022 @11:33PM (#33618880)
“Meeting with regulators” aka meeting with his tribe which I’m sure Gensler is a part of.
Re:The fall of Sam Bankman-Fried is crypto’s Enron moment by goouytrd on Wednesday November 16, 2022 @12:06AM (#33619144)
“His tribe”

Is this supposed to be implying something specific?

Re:The fall of Sam Bankman-Fried is crypto’s Enron moment by blockwriter on Tuesday November 15, 2022 @11:33PM (#33618879)
If any of the reports about Bankman-Fried's drug use are true, that might help explain his behavior.
Re:The fall of Sam Bankman-Fried is crypto’s Enron moment by pigtailgirl on Tuesday November 15, 2022 @11:46PM (#33618977)
-- his NYT article was... O.o

"“People can say all the mean things they want about me online,” he said. “In the end, what’s going to matter to me is what I’ve done and what I can do.”

He has also found other ways to occupy his time in recent days, playing the video game Storybook Brawl, though less than he usually does, he said. “It helps me unwind a bit,” he said. “It clears my mind.”

Shortly before the interview, Mr. Bankman-Fried had posted a cryptic tweet: the word “What.” Then he had tweeted the letter H. Asked to explain, Mr. Bankman-Fried said he planned to post the letter A and then the letter P. “It’s going to be more than one word,” he said. “I’m making it up as I go.”

So he was planning a series of cryptic tweets? “Something like that.”

But why? “I don’t know,” he said. “I’m improvising. I think it’s time.”"

..uh.. huh --

Re:The fall of Sam Bankman-Fried is crypto’s Enron moment by memish on Tuesday November 15, 2022 @11:57PM (#33619071)
It's funny they unwittingly plugged FTX's game and didn't mention that he's been seen playing League of Legends.
Re:The fall of Sam Bankman-Fried is crypto’s Enron moment by zoklet-enjoyer on Wednesday November 16, 2022 @12:16AM (#33619207)
He spent 4 hours playing LoL on Saturday
Re:The fall of Sam Bankman-Fried is crypto’s Enron moment by colechristensen on Tuesday November 15, 2022 @11:57PM (#33619074)
His best chance of getting the least punishment is cooperating to the max.
Re:The fall of Sam Bankman-Fried is crypto’s Enron moment by diogenescynic on Wednesday November 16, 2022 @10:42AM (#33624938)
Or being the second biggest political donor to the political party in power at the moment. Surely that doesn't hurt...
Re:The fall of Sam Bankman-Fried is crypto’s Enron moment by benjaminwootton on Wednesday November 16, 2022 @12:22AM (#33619252)
Im not defending him, but you can imagine a situation where a lot of conversations are happening in the background whilst wild speculation takes off online.

From the balance sheets circulating, there are still a lot of assets there. Some of it is fantasy but some of it is real but various levels of liquidity.

Im sure FTX, Sam and everyone associated is looking at how they can turn an $8 billion hole into a $3 billion hole.

I don’t think he or FTX are coming back because the reputation is destroyed, but I don’t see this ending in an $8 billion total loss.

I am tempted to put my money where my mouth is and buy some FTT for a somewhat positive announcement soon, but maybe that’s just degenerate gambling!

Re:The fall of Sam Bankman-Fried is crypto’s Enron moment by throwawaylinux on Wednesday November 16, 2022 @12:31AM (#33619288)
He paid fealty to the regime and tens of millions of dollars of bribes and protection money to the ruling class.

Provided he told all the right people to get out while the getting was good, he's got good reason to be confident. I bet he knows about a lot of skeletons in closets too, although people tend to wind up not killing themselves in prison when they try to use that kind of leverage against the mob, so he'd be well advised to take his flailing about the wrists with a sauteed lettuce leaf if it came to that.

Re:The fall of Sam Bankman-Fried is crypto’s Enron moment by xiphias2 on Wednesday November 16, 2022 @01:03AM (#33619460)
I'm so frustrated right now that he's still not arrested while in the sister thread a bicyclist was arrested for touching a car that was hiding its license plate.

The government is doing the opposite that it should be doing.