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Re:The Gut Microbiome Helps Social Skills Develop in the Brain by epistasis on Tuesday November 15, 2022 @11:25AM (#33611213)
...in fish.

Which is fascinating! And we know that gut micro biome has impacts on humans too.

But, we shouldn't extrapolate from research in fish all the way to humans until we can show it. The painful (or joyful) thing about science is dealing with the uncertainty and knowing that hypotheses are just that.

Re:The Gut Microbiome Helps Social Skills Develop in the Brain by mistermann on Tuesday November 15, 2022 @11:53AM (#33611684)
Conclusions shouldn't be formed in either direction, but speculation and experimentation can be useful.
Re:The Gut Microbiome Helps Social Skills Develop in the Brain by rzzzt on Tuesday November 15, 2022 @01:10PM (#33612786)
I don't think this is a problem with any of the "inmice" articles, and they are indeed very interesting to read! The only issue is that they forget to mention this small, but important detail in the title.
Re:The Gut Microbiome Helps Social Skills Develop in the Brain by Xeoncross on Tuesday November 15, 2022 @11:54AM (#33611694)
ah, I hear what you're saying. So I need to feed my fish probiotics so they will have the social skills to interact with my house guests better.
Re:The Gut Microbiome Helps Social Skills Develop in the Brain by froggychairs on Tuesday November 15, 2022 @12:07PM (#33611894)
This headline should be corrected to say that. Disappointed in Quanta for resorting to clickbait. It’s cool research even if it’s just fish!
Re:The Gut Microbiome Helps Social Skills Develop in the Brain by randomguy12 on Tuesday November 15, 2022 @12:08PM (#33611915)
The fact this was in fish doesn't mean we can't use this as the start of a model in humans. While it isn't a 1:1 correlation, zebrafish make good model organisms in part due to their genetic similarities to humans.

There's obviously flaws with model organisms, as the saying goes "mice lie and monkeys exaggerate" but zebrafish are surprisingly good organisms to study human problems.

If you wanna kill 20 minutes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zebrafish#Scientific_research

Re:The Gut Microbiome Helps Social Skills Develop in the Brain by jjtheblunt on Tuesday November 15, 2022 @12:22PM (#33612168)
don't developing fetuses (feti ? fetus with long u?) of mammals go through a fish shaped stage?

if so, does that mean what applies to fish likely applies at some stage in or some way?

Re:The Gut Microbiome Helps Social Skills Develop in the Brain by epistasis on Tuesday November 15, 2022 @01:55PM (#33613328)
My guess is that you are referring to the "ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny" theory:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recapitulation_theory

Which, despite the awesome rhyming phrase, doesn't really represent reality much. But even if it did, feral stage development wouldn't be reason to believe that this applies to humans.

The better reason to believe there's a chance this applies to humans, to some degree, is that humans and fish share similar brain signaling and micro biome products; which may be true or may not be! It's a big hint of a direction to look, which is great.

But even if this doesn't apply to humans, it's valuable research because it defines what's possible in biology.

Re:The Gut Microbiome Helps Social Skills Develop in the Brain by jjtheblunt on Tuesday November 15, 2022 @02:00PM (#33613401)
( autocorrect typo above : fetal was converted to feral )
Re:The Gut Microbiome Helps Social Skills Develop in the Brain by dang on Tuesday November 15, 2022 @02:20PM (#33613650)
Ok, we've infished the title. Thanks!

(This was my first infishing but it was easy because of related practice: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...)

Re:The Gut Microbiome Helps Social Skills Develop in the Brain by pvg on Tuesday November 15, 2022 @03:55PM (#33614894)
Re:The Gut Microbiome Helps Social Skills Develop in the Brain by dang on Tuesday November 15, 2022 @10:33PM (#33618492)
Crap.
Re:The Gut Microbiome Helps Social Skills Develop in the Brain by duck on Wednesday November 16, 2022 @12:31AM (#33619290)
Or is it Carp?
Re:The Gut Microbiome Helps Social Skills Develop in the Brain by pvg on Wednesday November 16, 2022 @12:34AM (#33619305)
It's 'carpe diem', Latin for 'infish the day'