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Re:The plague of emoji insertion in French docs by bombcar on Monday November 14, 2022 @12:15PM (#33597354)
Stuff like this is super, super common. Even where you have things like CTRL + X/C/V for cut/copy/paste it's clear that the letters were picked to be near each other - but then often the shortcuts will remain the same even on keyboards where those keys are nowhere near each other.

This can be one of the reasons that switching to Dvorak can be super hard, all the shortcuts become quite weird unless you remap them each by hand.

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Re:The plague of emoji insertion in French docs by jefftk on Monday November 14, 2022 @12:23PM (#33597490)
9ev: pressing the key where American layouts have a slash will [open the search box]

bombcar: often the shortcuts will remain the same even on keyboards where those keys are nowhere near each other*

You're objecting to opposite things: you don't like that the shortcuts stayed with the same symbols instead of staying with the physical key, and 9ev the other way around.

(And also 9ev is objecting to misleading documentation)

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Re:The plague of emoji insertion in French docs by bombcar on Monday November 14, 2022 @12:34PM (#33597709)
Yeah - and balancing the two is something often entirely overlooked and people stuck with the problem have to learn the options and try to determine “is this key the character or the key (in a US layout)”.

Issues like this are why often people just give up and learn US English enough to use the computer, then at least it’s tested and consistent.

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Re:The plague of emoji insertion in French docs by yjftsjthsd-h on Monday November 14, 2022 @12:42PM (#33597844)
Yeah, if I could go back in time I would have told my younger self that it's okay to use something other than qwerty, and it's okay to use vim, but trying to to do both was a hilariously terrible idea.
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Re:The plague of emoji insertion in French docs by TremendousJudge on Monday November 14, 2022 @01:03PM (#33598183)
Some go as far as translating shortcuts, which I dislike even more. In Spanish Windows, copy is CTRL + C (copiar), but paste is... CTRL + P (pegar)
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Re:The plague of emoji insertion in French docs by bombcar on Monday November 14, 2022 @01:46PM (#33598864)
Reminds me of a US tap in Mexico I saw once - the installer obviously decided C must be for caliente which meant the H should be hielo.
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Re:The plague of emoji insertion in French docs by TremendousJudge on Monday November 14, 2022 @01:56PM (#33599021)
That's great. To be fair, caliente and helado doesn't seem a very unreasonable interpretation if you're installing in a place where people don't speak English
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Re:The plague of emoji insertion in French docs by a1369209993 on Monday November 14, 2022 @04:41PM (#33601578)
> but paste is... CTRL + P (pegar)

... Oh, for fuck's sake! What English word do they think "V" is short for in the first place, there?

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Re:The plague of emoji insertion in French docs by wizofaus on Monday November 14, 2022 @01:54PM (#33598999)
You mean it's not X for xterminate, C for copy and V for velcro?
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Re:The plague of emoji insertion in French docs by lopis on Monday November 14, 2022 @02:44PM (#33599826)
CTRL + Z for undo in QWERTZ keyboards is just absolutely impractical.
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