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Re:Economic growth no longer requires rising emissions by tsimionescu on Friday November 11, 2022 @09:06AM (#33560917)
> But we will mostly decarbonize our economies by the end of this century.

Unfortunately unless we completely decarbonize by the middle of the century, we'll reach catastrophic levels of global warming (>3 degrees warming, likely leading to the polar ice caps melting and significant ocean level rises, especially at the equator).

Re:Economic growth no longer requires rising emissions by d883kd8 on Friday November 11, 2022 @09:16AM (#33561029)
Once we have mostly decarbonized there are many techniques for capturing carbon if you have enough energy
Re:Economic growth no longer requires rising emissions by tsimionescu on Friday November 11, 2022 @09:24AM (#33561138)
Perhaps, though we would need to do that long before the turn of the century. People just don't want to believe how little time there is left to stop catastrophic global warming.
Re:Economic growth no longer requires rising emissions by mlindner on Friday November 11, 2022 @09:26AM (#33561165)
All the trends I've read recently put us to going to no higher than 3 degrees of warming. The trends that put us toward over 3 degrees of warming were made around the time period of ~2010 when the trends were much worse than they turned out to be over the 2010s.

3 degrees is very bad, but it's quite survivable. We can of course always do better. But right now I'm quite happy with the direction things are going and the current trends but still push for trying to do more where we can.

Re:Economic growth no longer requires rising emissions by ZeroGravitas on Friday November 11, 2022 @09:45AM (#33561423)
Most economies are aiming for net zero by 2050.

A goal, which it is now clear, that would have been absolutely trivial to meet while making a solid profit on the deal, if we'd just started earlier, like when the problem became widely known four decades ago.

But we didn't. So we can probably still do it, and we can probably still come out richer, but some people are still trying to slow it down so they can profit from the short term chaos and impoverishing and risking our lives to do so.

Re:Economic growth no longer requires rising emissions by eloff on Friday November 11, 2022 @10:40AM (#33562149)
The only possible solution four decades ago was nuclear, and even then it was only a partial solution, and which people oppose for illogical reasons. The story now is much more hopeful. I also hope nuclear can be a part of it, but I think battery advances are more likely to beat it to the starting line.
Re:Economic growth no longer requires rising emissions by ZeroGravitas on Friday November 11, 2022 @11:54AM (#33563237)
Climate change is not just about electricity production.

There was a wide array of solutions available 40 years ago, including, but not limited to nuclear.

Notable mentions: carbon fees, preventing deforestation, not subsidizing fossil fuels, not actively encouraging methane release from oilfields, more efficient cars, trains, insulation, heat pumps and soar water heaters but really the list is very, very long.

Re:Economic growth no longer requires rising emissions by eloff on Friday November 11, 2022 @02:06PM (#33565208)
> Climate change is not just about electricity production.

Agreed, but that was the part that could be addressed with nuclear.

> There was a wide array of solutions available 40 years ago, including, but not limited to nuclear.

I think we're in agreement, except for the word "solution". The things you mention are not solutions, but rather mitigations, bandaids, things that slow the pace of climate change. Which still would have been extremely useful to buy us more time to decarbonize.

Re:Economic growth no longer requires rising emissions by eastbound on Friday November 11, 2022 @10:43PM (#33569736)
> Most economies are aiming for net zero by 2050.

We emitted what the eartg can absorb (3Gteq) back in 1990. Since then, emissions trippled.

Net zero is not enough, there is still a lot of CO2 in the atmosphere, so the temperature will reach +3°C.

Re:Economic growth no longer requires rising emissions by ZeroGravitas on Saturday November 12, 2022 @06:41AM (#33572178)
Net Zero by 2050 and peaking global emissions before 2030 should be enough to meet the 1.5C target according to the IPCC.

Assuming we follow that plan and don't hit any tipping points, we should stay under 3C, but yeah it's possible.

Re:Economic growth no longer requires rising emissions by eloff on Friday November 11, 2022 @10:35AM (#33562089)
I think three degrees of warming is unavoidable at this point. The massive coordination and effort it would take to avoid that seems like wishful thinking at best. I still hope I'm pleasantly surprised here, but I'm skeptical.

It's going to come down to mitigating, and that might mean different things in different places.

I think there will be some amount of geo-engineering to cool the poles and avoid some of the sea level rise and permafrost melting. There will also be some active carbon removal, but we also will not reach zero emissions either. That may mostly balance out, or reach "net zero".

There will also likely be a slow migration away from low lying coastal areas, as well as seawall construction.