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Re:Economic growth no longer requires rising emissions by ZeroGravitas on Friday November 11, 2022 @09:45AM (#33561423)
Most economies are aiming for net zero by 2050.

A goal, which it is now clear, that would have been absolutely trivial to meet while making a solid profit on the deal, if we'd just started earlier, like when the problem became widely known four decades ago.

But we didn't. So we can probably still do it, and we can probably still come out richer, but some people are still trying to slow it down so they can profit from the short term chaos and impoverishing and risking our lives to do so.

Re:Economic growth no longer requires rising emissions by eloff on Friday November 11, 2022 @10:40AM (#33562149)
The only possible solution four decades ago was nuclear, and even then it was only a partial solution, and which people oppose for illogical reasons. The story now is much more hopeful. I also hope nuclear can be a part of it, but I think battery advances are more likely to beat it to the starting line.
Re:Economic growth no longer requires rising emissions by ZeroGravitas on Friday November 11, 2022 @11:54AM (#33563237)
Climate change is not just about electricity production.

There was a wide array of solutions available 40 years ago, including, but not limited to nuclear.

Notable mentions: carbon fees, preventing deforestation, not subsidizing fossil fuels, not actively encouraging methane release from oilfields, more efficient cars, trains, insulation, heat pumps and soar water heaters but really the list is very, very long.

Re:Economic growth no longer requires rising emissions by eloff on Friday November 11, 2022 @02:06PM (#33565208)
> Climate change is not just about electricity production.

Agreed, but that was the part that could be addressed with nuclear.

> There was a wide array of solutions available 40 years ago, including, but not limited to nuclear.

I think we're in agreement, except for the word "solution". The things you mention are not solutions, but rather mitigations, bandaids, things that slow the pace of climate change. Which still would have been extremely useful to buy us more time to decarbonize.

Re:Economic growth no longer requires rising emissions by eastbound on Friday November 11, 2022 @10:43PM (#33569736)
> Most economies are aiming for net zero by 2050.

We emitted what the eartg can absorb (3Gteq) back in 1990. Since then, emissions trippled.

Net zero is not enough, there is still a lot of CO2 in the atmosphere, so the temperature will reach +3°C.

Re:Economic growth no longer requires rising emissions by ZeroGravitas on Saturday November 12, 2022 @06:41AM (#33572178)
Net Zero by 2050 and peaking global emissions before 2030 should be enough to meet the 1.5C target according to the IPCC.

Assuming we follow that plan and don't hit any tipping points, we should stay under 3C, but yeah it's possible.