Re:Changing times (or, why is every layoff 10-15%?)
by rootusrootus on Friday November 11, 2022 @11:19PM
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Yeah, I was going to say, the average BigCorp has probably 30-40% dead weight. So cutting close to half of that is probably not a terribly heavy lift. Most managers already have a stack rank, in their head at least.
Re:Changing times (or, why is every layoff 10-15%?)
by marricks on Friday November 11, 2022 @11:29PM
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Yeah, exactly, and you only actually use 10% of your brain. Probably don’t need two hemispheres to be honest.
Re:Changing times (or, why is every layoff 10-15%?)
by rootusrootus on Friday November 11, 2022 @11:31PM
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Since we know that to be false, I assume you're just being a smartass. If you disagree, there are more polite, constructive ways to say so.
Re:Changing times (or, why is every layoff 10-15%?)
by grassgreener on Friday November 11, 2022 @11:41PM
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You made up a statistic, what good does it do to spread misinformation?
Re:Changing times (or, why is every layoff 10-15%?)
by rootusrootus on Friday November 11, 2022 @11:47PM
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You are calling it false, yet you haven't provided any citations either.
Re:Changing times (or, why is every layoff 10-15%?)
by izacus on Saturday November 12, 2022 @01:45AM
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That's not how burden of proof works. You can't just brain fart random numbers and then demand others disprove it.
Re:Changing times (or, why is every layoff 10-15%?)
by mlyle on Friday November 11, 2022 @11:52PM
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He made an estimate of dead weight based on his experience. I think we can all agree it's >1% and <99%. Of course, "dead weight" is a ill-posed, incompletely defined notion, so definitional issues abound, too.
The next step is to discuss the usefulness and your own perspective, not to mock.
Re:Changing times (or, why is every layoff 10-15%?)
by marricks on Friday November 11, 2022 @11:40PM
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Sorry if it seems flippant, but I provided just as much justification for my argument as you did.
Re:Changing times (or, why is every layoff 10-15%?)
by nhooyr on Saturday November 12, 2022 @01:45AM
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No, you made a straight up false claim. He was merely estimating at an unknown.
Re:Changing times (or, why is every layoff 10-15%?)
by paulddraper on Friday November 11, 2022 @11:20PM
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Exactly. Take a look around and imagine your company with 10-15% less.
Most people don't find that such a terrible idea.
Re:Changing times (or, why is every layoff 10-15%?)
by verst on Friday November 11, 2022 @11:42PM
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That really depends on the distribution of the layoffs.
The 10-15% percent aren't necessarily all bad performers but might just be people working on teams that are to be disbanded entirely.
Re:Changing times (or, why is every layoff 10-15%?)
by ilyt on Saturday November 12, 2022 @03:13AM
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Yeah, if it is mandated "all teams cut 10%" it can be disaster.
Team that managed to hire good people and fire bad performers already ? You're basically taking productivity out.
Ops team that every other software team is dependent on and already overloaded ? Now every other team will feel delay in dealing with their stuff.
Re:Changing times (or, why is every layoff 10-15%?)
by dehrmann on Friday November 11, 2022 @11:45PM
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I found the context interesting, but this line addresses the question nicely without much overthinking.
> 10-15% seems to be the number that reflects “big enough that I can tell myself and my investors or board I am doing it, but not so big that it causes truly uncomfortable conversations for the team”
At any given moment, most companies can probably justify cutting 10-15% of dead weight. But when you cross that line, that's a much different smell. The most talented get a whiff, update their CVs and head for the door.
The goal is to cut the bottom and leave the top. Take off too much bottom and your top will leave "voluntarily".