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Re:Changing times (or, why is every layoff 10-15%?) by chiefalchemist on Thursday November 10, 2022 @06:11PM (#33554972)
Interesting, but I think they're over-thinking it. A lot.

At any given moment, most companies can probably justify cutting 10-15% of dead weight. But when you cross that line, that's a much different smell. The most talented get a whiff, update their CVs and head for the door.

The goal is to cut the bottom and leave the top. Take off too much bottom and your top will leave "voluntarily".

Re:Changing times (or, why is every layoff 10-15%?) by rootusrootus on Friday November 11, 2022 @11:19PM (#33569904)
Yeah, I was going to say, the average BigCorp has probably 30-40% dead weight. So cutting close to half of that is probably not a terribly heavy lift. Most managers already have a stack rank, in their head at least.
Re:Changing times (or, why is every layoff 10-15%?) by marricks on Friday November 11, 2022 @11:29PM (#33569957)
Yeah, exactly, and you only actually use 10% of your brain. Probably don’t need two hemispheres to be honest.
Re:Changing times (or, why is every layoff 10-15%?) by rootusrootus on Friday November 11, 2022 @11:31PM (#33569968)
Since we know that to be false, I assume you're just being a smartass. If you disagree, there are more polite, constructive ways to say so.
Re:Changing times (or, why is every layoff 10-15%?) by grassgreener on Friday November 11, 2022 @11:41PM (#33570017)
You made up a statistic, what good does it do to spread misinformation?
Re:Changing times (or, why is every layoff 10-15%?) by rootusrootus on Friday November 11, 2022 @11:47PM (#33570054)
You are calling it false, yet you haven't provided any citations either.
Re:Changing times (or, why is every layoff 10-15%?) by izacus on Saturday November 12, 2022 @01:45AM (#33570673)
That's not how burden of proof works. You can't just brain fart random numbers and then demand others disprove it.
Re:Changing times (or, why is every layoff 10-15%?) by mlyle on Friday November 11, 2022 @11:52PM (#33570080)
He made an estimate of dead weight based on his experience. I think we can all agree it's >1% and <99%. Of course, "dead weight" is a ill-posed, incompletely defined notion, so definitional issues abound, too.

The next step is to discuss the usefulness and your own perspective, not to mock.

Re:Changing times (or, why is every layoff 10-15%?) by marricks on Friday November 11, 2022 @11:40PM (#33570009)
Sorry if it seems flippant, but I provided just as much justification for my argument as you did.
Re:Changing times (or, why is every layoff 10-15%?) by nhooyr on Saturday November 12, 2022 @01:45AM (#33570675)
No, you made a straight up false claim. He was merely estimating at an unknown.
Re:Changing times (or, why is every layoff 10-15%?) by paulddraper on Friday November 11, 2022 @11:20PM (#33569905)
Exactly. Take a look around and imagine your company with 10-15% less.

Most people don't find that such a terrible idea.

Re:Changing times (or, why is every layoff 10-15%?) by verst on Friday November 11, 2022 @11:42PM (#33570021)
That really depends on the distribution of the layoffs.

The 10-15% percent aren't necessarily all bad performers but might just be people working on teams that are to be disbanded entirely.

Re:Changing times (or, why is every layoff 10-15%?) by ilyt on Saturday November 12, 2022 @03:13AM (#33571158)
Yeah, if it is mandated "all teams cut 10%" it can be disaster.

Team that managed to hire good people and fire bad performers already ? You're basically taking productivity out.

Ops team that every other software team is dependent on and already overloaded ? Now every other team will feel delay in dealing with their stuff.

Re:Changing times (or, why is every layoff 10-15%?) by dehrmann on Friday November 11, 2022 @11:45PM (#33570042)
I found the context interesting, but this line addresses the question nicely without much overthinking.

> 10-15% seems to be the number that reflects “big enough that I can tell myself and my investors or board I am doing it, but not so big that it causes truly uncomfortable conversations for the team”

Re:Changing times (or, why is every layoff 10-15%?) by salawat on Friday November 11, 2022 @11:55PM (#33570095)
Because generally their workload goes up concommitantly, because there is no backfill.