Hey, thanks for the civil response!

> the author of the blog you shared has openly said "V is something that should be ignored until it dies into obscurity":

I didn't know this -- that's very harsh, and I don't agree at all. I see that that comment was made after the reviewing blog posts, however. I can get that the relation between V and them has soured.

> Also even in this thread there were people spreading lies about the language: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33544205

That's the one I initially replied to, sharing my view as an outside observer. It would probably serve V well to handle such popular blog posts in some way. Like put up a blog post refuting the points in the article, and then link to that or something. Something to undo the damage to the language's image by those posts, and (re-)inspire confidence.

The other way is probably to be "so good they can't ignore you". That would be great, always good to have more great tools.

> My advice is - check out the language and make up your own mind. In the end this is a tool, not a football club.

I completely agree -- and people should try it for themselves. I guess my point is mostly that if the community's exposure to a language is those blog posts, they won't be inclined to try it. And if those blog posts don't get handled in a graceful and confidence inspiring way, the community won't "update" its view of the language.

By the way usually when a hit piece about V starts circulating on HN, the author of V takes the time to refute the claims in the comments section:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31793554

(Ctrl+F amedvednikov)

But I agree 100% - having a blog post that refutes all the claims in one place would be very useful.

Ah, that's good to know! Will check it out.

It appears that you are convinced at how slick and cunning that you are (which oddly a competing language considered that a compliment and plus for adding to their organization). The mistake though, is more spamming of the smear links was totally uncalled for, and the game you are playing has been done several times before on numerous other Vlang threads on HN.

Occasionally used "sleeper accounts" pop out of the woodwork and post links to the Xe/Xena/Christine website (and less often the newer and related mawfig blog). That's how I was able to predict your appearance, before you posted the Xe/Xena/Christine links.

Then if anybody suspects or digs into the person spamming the usual smear links, the account feigns innocence. It's like an arsonist using the same method to burn down houses in the area for several years, then pretending he/she doesn't know what people are talking about, as they suspect and catch them.

And by the way, this MO is not just on HN, as this tactic can be observed on other websites as well that are posting links to the Xe/Xena/Christine site, and at the expense of Vlang and/or in the mist of a troll party smearing the language and developers. Except, where they feel comfortable (at not getting banned), such trolls shed any pretense or coyness. They totally discharge all kinds of unasked for vitriol, for a language they supposedly never have used, don't use, or don't care about.

Which brings up the obvious question, of why then do they care so much and post such trash (like spamming smear links on any Vlang related thread they find)? Clearly, a possible motive for doing such uncalled for things, is if they are coming from a rival language and feel insecure about their position to compete just on their merits.

> It would probably serve V well to handle such popular blog posts in some way. Like put up a blog post refuting the points in the article, and then link to that or something.

No, because you want Vlang developers and users to engage in your despicable and deplorable tactics. And such troll activities and smearing are ridiculous spectacles that demonstrate insecurity and childishness.

What members of the Vlang community can and arguably should do, is expose those perpetuating these low level troll games. Furthermore, many outside observers are also noticing the tactics of your group. The more such a group engages in smearing other languages and creators, the more people will realize what they are doing and shun them.

> Something to undo the damage to the language's image by those posts, and (re-)inspire confidence.

The attempt to do damage and smearing is clearly being perpetuated by specific rivals and competitors of Vlang. It becomes more and more obvious all the time, thus all the clues are leading back to the source.

Hey Tozen, are you alright? It might be good for you to take a step back and relax a bit.

I have been nothing but civil and open-minded, I have not smeared vlang in any way, I have merely been asking questions as an outside observer.

You, on the other hand, have been aggressively defensive, and have been projecting an almost paranoid "everything and everyone is against vlang" attitude. I almost start thinking that you are the one trolling me.

If not, I sincerely hope you will take a step back and assess the situation and yourself -- and try to relax a bit. No single programming language is worth getting this wound up about.

> I have not smeared vlang in any way, I have merely been asking questions as an outside observer.

1) That would be an obvious lie. You posted 3 links (not 1, not even 2, but 3) to the Xe/Xena/Christine website. The intent is to smear, disrupt, and spread negative misinformation.

2) On almost any Vlang related thread of significance, see how often and what type of accounts are posting the Xe/Xena/Christine website.

hn.algolia.com may assist you.

> But I can definitely see where OP is coming from

As in, you agree with rmanolis, who made very obvious smears and lies about V. And is an advocate of Zig.

Let's refresh your short memory, as you are "so innocent", as to what rmanolis typed.

"V promised a lot of stuff as ready but has undelivered most of them..." --rmanolis

"If V was truthful like Zig..." --rmanolis

But to bring home the point, after you posted the smear links (which take conscious effort to collect them together), you add this gem with them.

> I can completely understand OP when they are saying "V promised a lot of stuff as ready but has undelivered most of them and people lost trust." -- that was my view too.

Because of your short memory issue, allow me to remind you, that last part was definitively you.

"-- that was my view too.", as in you agree with rmanolis, the one clearly smearing Vlang and an advocate of Zig. And that was after you posted the V is vaporware smear link.

> No single programming language is worth getting this wound up about.

Excuse me, who is so narrowly focused about a language?

This thread is about the Zip Function, not just Vlang, and has 4 other programming languages to talk about.

Yet, you chose to target and smear Vlang specifically, while mentioning nothing about Zip functions or the other languages.

Hey suprfnk, are you alright?

Instead of trolling, maybe engage in some other hobby. I'm done with you, so truly feel free to assess the situation and yourself. It might be good for you to take a step back and relax a bit.

Please do not post flamewar comments to HN, regardless of how wrong someone is or you feel they are. It's not what this site is for, and it destroys what it is for.

If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.