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Re:Meta lays off 11,000 people by jghn on Wednesday November 09, 2022 @07:55AM (#33530863)
At sone point “I take responsibility” came to mean nothing more than “My bad”. It’s as if the act of saying it was your fault is all that’s necessary.

Ive noticed it used this way more and more, presumably as people realize it’s utility as a get of jail free card

Re:Meta lays off 11,000 people by StevePerkins on Wednesday November 09, 2022 @08:01AM (#33530945)
Just months ago, "The Crying CEO" guy became a viral meme for expressing too much empathy in a layoff.

It's fucking job terminations. You're GOING to be criticized no matter how you do them. The best approach is to just be robotic about it, and maybe throw in a platitude that amounts to, "It's not you, it's me".

Re:Meta lays off 11,000 people by Aeolun on Wednesday November 09, 2022 @08:20AM (#33531175)
No, he was criticized for using it as publicity on LinkedIn.
Re:Meta lays off 11,000 people by jghn on Wednesday November 09, 2022 @09:17AM (#33531880)
Sure. But it's only "taking responsibility" if you demonstrate you're actually intending to either a) actually be accountable in some fashion and/or b) actually lay out how you'll change to make the bad thing not happen in the future.

"We need to layoff half of the company. I'm sorry and take responsibility. I have failed our employees and shareholders. Because of this, I am stepping down". That's taking responsibility.

"We had a major F-up. It was my responsibility. And here are the concrete steps I am taking to ensure it never happens again, along with the mechanisms you all have to hold me accountable. If these fail, the following bad thing will happen to me." That's taking responsibility

Re:Meta lays off 11,000 people by wickedsickeune on Wednesday November 09, 2022 @10:41AM (#33533159)
I know that this is a low quality comment, but thank you, you have restored my faith in humanity.
Re:Meta lays off 11,000 people by vasco on Wednesday November 09, 2022 @01:03PM (#33535469)
A company is bound to fire people in a well functioning economy or the alternative is every single employee will lose their job when the company goes bankrupt. Some people would rather bring every company down to the ground before firing a single person. In a well functioning economy what you then want is a short worker reallocation time.

Also if one of your options for "taking responsibility" is quitting, I guess your view of the world is that you would also fire any of your employees when they mess up, when whole industries have recognized the need for blameless cultures where making mistakes is part of the learning process.

Re:Meta lays off 11,000 people by jghn on Wednesday November 09, 2022 @04:00PM (#33537755)
You can fire people and/or let them go without claiming you "take full responsibility". That's ok, and exactly my point.

The phrase "I take responsibility" is never accompanied with any sign that the person does in fact take responsibility. It means more than just "Ooops, I did a bad"

Re:Meta lays off 11,000 people by greenthrow on Wednesday November 09, 2022 @09:19AM (#33531911)
He was not criticized for showing too much empathy. He was criticized for not actually showing empathy. He made it all about himself. You might want to look into how you misunderstood that so badly.
Re:Meta lays off 11,000 people by jherskovic on Wednesday November 09, 2022 @10:06AM (#33532595)
The Stripe people did it right, or at least as right as you can under these circumstances. https://stripe.com/en-au/newsroom/news/ceo-patrick-collisons...

Relevant discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33450753

Re:Meta lays off 11,000 people by sigstoat on Wednesday November 09, 2022 @10:14AM (#33532732)
they got grief for exactly the same line zuckerberg is getting grief for in this thread.
Re:Meta lays off 11,000 people by hamburglar on Wednesday November 09, 2022 @08:12PM (#33540811)
Because there are a lot of people who just aren’t ever going to be satisfied with anything short of Zuckerberg feeling the pinch of not knowing whether he’s going to make his mortgage payment next month. It’s just people’s natural desire for punishment. I personally have a lot of disdain for zuck and what he’s built but the idea that he is ever going to experience enough misfortune to seem “just” as an offset for these layoffs is pure fantasy. If anyone is waiting for that, there is simply no path to satisfaction for them. Nothing except his own actions is going to stop him from being as billionaire as he wants to be.
Re:Meta lays off 11,000 people by MertsA on Thursday November 10, 2022 @02:13AM (#33543236)
Compare the Stripe layoff to the Meta one. The severance terms are very similar and I think the Meta offer is objectively better, if only slightly depending on tenure. Both the Stripe founders and Zuckerberg are both "taking responsibility" for the layoffs but without any resignation or personal financial burdens outside of just share price. This has basically zero chance of being a decrease in operating costs until well into 2023. Stripe and Meta seem to be on par with one another as far as how they handled their respective layoffs other than the Meta leak.
Re:Meta lays off 11,000 people by lovich on Wednesday November 09, 2022 @12:10PM (#33534614)
He wasn’t criticized for having empathy, he was criticized for the narcissistic attempt to make the layoffs all about how his emotions.
Re:Meta lays off 11,000 people by SilasX on Wednesday November 09, 2022 @12:38PM (#33535061)
What? It wasn't for "expressing too much empathy", it's for being obviously staged. Like, who gets their hot-take emotional reaction on video and them uploads it? /r/whyweretheyfilming vibes.
Re:Meta lays off 11,000 people by twblalock on Wednesday November 09, 2022 @01:26PM (#33535799)
When did it mean anything other than "my bad"? It never did.