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Re:What Is an Eigenvalue? by kiernanmcgowan on Tuesday November 08, 2022 @04:33PM (#33524609)
Eigen-things can also be thought of "fixed values" of a "thing" transformation.

For example - the eigenfunction of a derivative is e^x since when you run the derivative function on e^x you get.... e^x

Re:What Is an Eigenvalue? by marviel on Tuesday November 08, 2022 @05:00PM (#33524895)
After watching the 3blueonebrown video linked below in the comments, I'm inclined to agree with you -- nice way of putting it.
Re:What Is an Eigenvalue? by Tainnor on Tuesday November 08, 2022 @05:13PM (#33525043)
They don't have to be fixed, a scalar multiple is allowed too. e^ax is an eigenfunction of the derivative too.
Re:What Is an Eigenvalue? by rmeno12 on Tuesday November 08, 2022 @06:16PM (#33525587)
In this case, we could say that all functions e^ax are eigenfunctions of the derivative, with the eigenvalues being a.
Re:What Is an Eigenvalue? by patrick451 on Tuesday November 08, 2022 @06:41PM (#33525778)
Another good example is that sinusoids are eigenfunction of a linear system. If you drive the system with a sinusoid, the output is also a sinusoid of the same frequency, but different amplitude and phase. In other words, the frequency response is the eigenvalue at a given frequency.
Re:What Is an Eigenvalue? by monktastic1 on Tuesday November 08, 2022 @08:22PM (#33526538)
Functions satisfy the laws of a vector space (well, certain classes of functions, such as L^2 anyway -- I'm certainly no expert here). I.e., functions are vectors. And the derivative is a linear operator on that space: d/dx(af + bg) = ad/dx(f) + bd/dx(g). Therefore d/dx has eigenvalues, one of which you properly identified as e^x (and more generally, e^ax, as others have pointed out).
Re:What Is an Eigenvalue? by Tainnor on Wednesday November 09, 2022 @04:50AM (#33529306)
> (well, certain classes of functions, such as L^2 anyway -- I'm certainly no expert here)

For any vector space V over a field F, the set of functions V -> V is a vector space over F. This is essentially because the vector space properties are carried over "point-wise".

When you consider only certain classes of functions (such as L^2), the question of whether they form a vector space boils down to the question whether those classes are closed under addition and scalar multiplication. All other vector space properties are satisfied because they are in the larger vector space of all functions.

Re:What Is an Eigenvalue? by pclmulqdq on Tuesday November 08, 2022 @10:29PM (#33527242)
This is the best explanation of the eigenthings in my opinion. Too many people, this article included, reach for more advanced concepts to explain something as simple as "eigenvectors are how an operator transforms stuff and eigenvalues are how much."
Re:What Is an Eigenvalue? by kiernanmcgowan on Tuesday November 08, 2022 @11:13PM (#33527445)
Thank you - its too easy to get into the weeds with mathematics and lose the "why" of something. Connecting these higher level concepts with the algebra that _most_ people have experience with ends up being a more direct way to share knowledge vs diving into the higher level stuff that enthusiasts really enjoy.
Re:What Is an Eigenvalue? by kridsdale2 on Wednesday November 09, 2022 @03:12PM (#33537191)
God knows how I passed 4 years of engineering math without ever being able to describe to anyone what eigen* actually are, but I think that's actually the norm.
Re:What Is an Eigenvalue? by pclmulqdq on Wednesday November 09, 2022 @09:41PM (#33541518)
That's completely normal and very unfortunate. I only learned about the geometry of the eigen*s from an EE professor who loved math.

Unfortunately, the history of the eigen*s is rooted in the opaque and cryptic (but rigorous) linear algebra definition, and the non-rigorous but meaningful geometry came later.

Re:What Is an Eigenvalue? by ukj on Wednesday November 09, 2022 @12:20AM (#33527762)
Re:What Is an Eigenvalue? by bobbylarrybobby on Wednesday November 09, 2022 @12:23AM (#33527775)
Yes except eigenvalues need not be 1. e^(kx) is an eigenvector of d/dx for all k but is only a fixed point when k=1
Re:What Is an Eigenvalue? by ukj on Wednesday November 09, 2022 @12:32AM (#33527832)
Right, in topology a “point” can represent any mathematical object - think “bound variable”.
Re:What Is an Eigenvalue? by sampo on Wednesday November 09, 2022 @07:18AM (#33530487)
> So… fixed points?

Fixed directions. The operator operating on an eigenvector doesn't change the vector's direction, but can change its magnitude (i.e. length). (Except, if you change the length from positive to negative, then you kind of change, or flip, the direction to 180 degrees opposite.)