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Re:C Isn't a Programming Language Anymore by pjmlp on Monday November 07, 2022 @05:29PM (#33513472)
Good attempt.

Android userspace uses Java and can only talk to native code via JNI, which definitely isn't a C ABI.

Likewise there isn't any writing to metal on ChromeOS for the official userspace APIs, running Linux (Crostini) implies running a sandboxed version on top of the actual ChromeOS, while Android on ChromeOS not only has the same JNI restrictions, it also is sandboxed without access to host OS.

EDIT: I also forgot that ChromeOS and Android expose many of their key APIs to native code via OS IPC, on top of the constraints mentioned above. With endpoints written in a mix of C++, Java and now Rust.

Re:C Isn't a Programming Language Anymore by cryptonector on Monday November 07, 2022 @05:37PM (#33513536)
JNI is very much a C ABI, yes. I should know, for I've written JNI FFIs more than once. Yes, you can also write JNIs in C++, but you don't have to because JNI's ABI is C not C++, and that is because C++ ABIs were not stable decades ago when JNI was written.
Re:C Isn't a Programming Language Anymore by pjmlp on Tuesday November 08, 2022 @02:41AM (#33516846)
JNI isn't a C ABI from the point of view what is being discussed here, it is a marshaling library.

You don't do OS syscalls via JNI, rather marshal representation of Java objects for consuptiom from native languages.

Re:C Isn't a Programming Language Anymore by cryptonector on Tuesday November 08, 2022 @10:06AM (#33519772)
You clearly haven't written a JNI.

JNI is an API between the JVM and C- or C++-coded plugins that can implement native methods. "Native method" means "written in C (or C++)". There's a) a standard interface that C-coded methods must present (depending on their Java signature) and b) a set of utility C functions provided by the JVM.

Because these plugins are loaded via `dlopen()`/`LoadLibrary_Ex()`/etc. the JNI API has an ABI.

If you don't believe me go look it up. There's a ton of resources on JNI. Here's an example taken from the wikipedia page on JNI:

  extern "C"
  JNIEXPORT void JNICALL Java_ClassName_MethodName
    (JNIEnv *env, jobject obj, jstring javaString)
  {
      const char *nativeString = env->GetStringUTFChars(javaString, 0);
  
      //Do something with the nativeString

      env->ReleaseStringUTFChars(javaString, nativeString);
  }