Yes, Europe absolutely detests having a phone that fits in your hand.

That's a weird take. There are better phones that fit on your hand.

It's like saying that people don't like licorice because people absolutely detest eating.

Maybe it is because it tastes like shit to them.

This is the weirdest take I’ve seen on iPhone hating yet.

I never said anything bad about the actual size of the screen because I don't think it's a bad thing. The problem is that the phone has a tiny screen, tiny specs but a not-so-tiny price.

Every time someone complains about ram in the iPhone it’s evidence they don’t know what they are talking about and chase the numbers trends of android.

If you're not paying for numbers, what are you paying for then? What reason could there be to pay $400 for a 2022 iphone that doesn't provide anything that a $400 android from 5 years ago doesn't?

Well I’m not paying for ram. Obviously everything is subjective but iOS is better than android, better camera, better eco system, better privacy and security, better battery life over time, better lifetime support, etc etc etc.

iPhone runs well on 3gb, 4gb, 6gb. It’s far more optimised than android.

The same cannot be said for android. Over time lack of ram cripples it.

the battery life on the new SE is dreadful from day 1. Everything else is broadly true.

> If you're not paying for numbers, what are you paying for then?

Oh honey...

a smug sense of superior and/or very long term OS updates

Granted, I am a weird tech literate guy who wastes his time on hacker news, but what other capabilities does a phone require? I check my email, browse a few websites, use something for messaging, and call Uber/Lyft. How would superior phone specs improve my life? At this point, the next step is to slim down the software, the hardware is more than sufficient.

If all you use your phone for is browsing websites and checking email, you can get a cheap chinese android for half the price that does all of that just fine.

A cheap phone would work for that. But they are noticeably laggy and kind of grotty to use, especially once you’ve used something nicer. Kind of like going back to an ancient PC.

It's more like running Windows 11 on an ancient PC. If it ran Windows 3.1 when it came out, it's probably still pretty snappy if you run Windows 3.1 on it today.

The cheap phones we have now could totally blow away higher end phones from the past...

But security updates, and lack of support on old phones essentially means you can't do that. Because they're gonna bundle in a ton of bullshit with the security updates.

Hilarious. A fair few techies like me are on SEs because we either get them from work, or use big screens all day so don’t value a large phone because it’s strictly a functional device. Works perfectLy fine. Anyway, why anyone would ever care about the RAM on an iPhone is beyond me.

> because we either get them from work

We're discussing prices so I don't see how this is relevant in any way.

> use big screens all day so don’t value a large phone because it’s strictly a functional device

Then you don't need a $400 phone.

I’m my case I could choose to BYOD and some do, so price and preference absolutely both matter.

You should pull up some benchmarks on performance of the joke phone vs $1200 Android flagship devices

For laughs

I’m not sure I agree. The people buying a $400 phone aren’t getting sweaty about the specs, the phone is just a tool for them. They probably don’t even know what 720p is