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Re:Stripe Layoff 14% of Workforce by pmoriarty on Thursday November 03, 2022 @10:02AM (#33451120)
There are rarely if ever any serious consequences to top execs screwing up wealthy companies.

Such execs are usually already so wealthy that they never have to work another day in their life, no matter what happens or how much they screw up.

They can always find other prestigious, high paid jobs, and sometimes even get rewarded with huge amounts of money from the very companies they screwed over.

Re:Stripe Layoff 14% of Workforce by ericb on Thursday November 03, 2022 @10:16AM (#33451351)
What did they screw up, though?

Their psychic abilities failed? A coin flip came up tails but they bet on heads?

Re:Stripe Layoff 14% of Workforce by sharkweek on Thursday November 03, 2022 @10:22AM (#33451441)
Yes, essentially.

“Do you care to know why I'm in this chair with you all? I mean, why I earn the big bucks?

I'm here for one reason and one reason alone. I'm here to guess what the music might do a week, a month, a year from now. That's it. Nothing more. And standing here tonight, I'm afraid that I don't hear - a - thing. Just... silence.”

-John Tuld, Margin Call

Re:Stripe Layoff 14% of Workforce by nobleach on Thursday November 03, 2022 @10:36AM (#33451644)
Imagine that they DIDN'T hire more people when they grew by 3x. See how much people complain about the grind at AWS. People are extraordinarily overworked. We'd be reading "Why I left Stripe" posts and calling out the CEOs for not scaling up properly.
Re:Stripe Layoff 14% of Workforce by hirsin on Thursday November 03, 2022 @11:37AM (#33452677)
Stripe was already known (in my circles at least) for being a ~grinder~ long hours type place. Not neccesarily because they're understaffed but because it was a work work work culture.
Re:Stripe Layoff 14% of Workforce by clpm4j on Thursday November 03, 2022 @12:27PM (#33453488)
That's what I've seen (from the outside, with some friends who work at Stripe) as well - it's the old investment banking / management consulting work culture, i.e. your job is your life.
Re:Stripe Layoff 14% of Workforce by Barrin92 on Thursday November 03, 2022 @10:28AM (#33451522)
preparing for an eventual end to the free money rally instead of over-hiring isn't exactly something I'd consider to fall into the realm of psychic abilities.

is "we're a fast growing business but this cannot last indefinitely, let's not overexpand" ´really too much to ask for? It's constantly happening to tech companies because of their internal fantasies.

Re:Stripe Layoff 14% of Workforce by ericb on Thursday November 03, 2022 @10:32AM (#33451581)
If they under-expand, people will similarly complain when their stock languishes compared to other stocks and the board will replace them with someone telling a growth story. The only thing the stock market rewards is growth, so is it really their fantasy?
Re:Stripe Layoff 14% of Workforce by candiddevmike on Thursday November 03, 2022 @10:41AM (#33451728)
In this case, stripe is private, so their stock performance is mostly moot.
Re:Stripe Layoff 14% of Workforce by dehrmann on Thursday November 03, 2022 @11:57AM (#33453036)
I'm not convinced free money is as much of an issue as large consumer demand shifts after covid. Inflation-adjusted, money is still free.
Re:Stripe Layoff 14% of Workforce by pmoriarty on Thursday November 03, 2022 @11:01AM (#33452073)
"Their psychic abilities failed? A coin flip came up tails but they bet on heads?"

Isn't it interesting how we want to absolve execs of all blame when they bet wrong and get unlucky, but declare them geniuses and masters of business when they bet right and get lucky?

Re:Stripe Layoff 14% of Workforce by gizmo on Thursday November 03, 2022 @11:13AM (#33452271)
Of course the stripe founders are not absolved of blame. They made the wrong call.

But overall Stripe has A+ execution -- of which very little was luck -- and the founders deserve credit for that.

Re:Stripe Layoff 14% of Workforce by dymk on Thursday November 03, 2022 @11:10AM (#33452216)
It's easy to get something wrong, but it's hard to get it right.
Re:Stripe Layoff 14% of Workforce by pmoriarty on Thursday November 03, 2022 @11:12AM (#33452249)
A broken clock is right twice a day.
Re:Stripe Layoff 14% of Workforce by rm_-rf_slash on Thursday November 03, 2022 @12:01PM (#33453080)
Bad metaphor. There are a million wrong decisions that could be made any time at any day, and only a handful of options.
Re:Stripe Layoff 14% of Workforce by dymk on Thursday November 03, 2022 @12:02PM (#33453101)
You have to be right more than twice a day to lead a company like Stripe.
Re:Stripe Layoff 14% of Workforce by scarface74 on Thursday November 03, 2022 @11:10AM (#33452210)
Yes and we really should be crying for the software developers who worked for slave wages and had no opportunity to save.
Re:Stripe Layoff 14% of Workforce by pmoriarty on Thursday November 03, 2022 @11:11AM (#33452240)
At least they did something useful and actually earned their pay.
Re:Stripe Layoff 14% of Workforce by chasebank on Thursday November 03, 2022 @11:43AM (#33452772)
Like creating a company that gives thousands of people jobs? Or creating infrastructure to enable millions of web based businesses the ability to mindlessly process payments? God, I miss the old HN. This place is reddit now.
Re:Stripe Layoff 14% of Workforce by idealmedtech on Thursday November 03, 2022 @12:34PM (#33453573)
Another entry in the decades-long saga: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=149257
Re:Stripe Layoff 14% of Workforce by pmoriarty on Thursday November 03, 2022 @12:44PM (#33453724)
Who built the railroads? J. P. Morgan, or the millions of people who worked for him?

Not surprising to see execs and founders on here patting each other on the back and trying to convince everyone that they deserve their millions because of how innovative they are all the "value" they create. Looks like the old HN to me.

Re:Stripe Layoff 14% of Workforce by scarface74 on Thursday November 03, 2022 @03:32PM (#33456207)
I’m neither an executive or a founder. I’m just self aware enough to know that software engineers aren’t exactly starving.
Re:Stripe Layoff 14% of Workforce by joenot443 on Thursday November 03, 2022 @11:17AM (#33452346)
I don’t think I’ve ever seen anyone here express the sentiment that execs and CEOs are geniuses for leading a profitable company. If anything, it seems like it’s us engineers who like to consider ourselves brilliant, and that the simple-minded management should be so lucky to have us.
Re:Stripe Layoff 14% of Workforce by wnolens on Thursday November 03, 2022 @10:13AM (#33451290)
> sometimes even get rewarded with huge amounts of money from the very companies they screwed over.

This is the norm I've witnessed. They're rewarded for making bold bets, whether or not they pay off.

Re:Stripe Layoff 14% of Workforce by RestlessMind on Thursday November 03, 2022 @12:08PM (#33453185)
Isn't that how things should be in a society? We should encourage people to make bold bets and start real companies like Stripe which offer valuable services. I am happy that they made a bold bet, just like I am happy people start companies when they can easily join an established company and have a comfortable life.

Just to be sure, there is a big difference between a bold bet based on your market or product insights vs putting everything on black on the roulette table.

Re:Stripe Layoff 14% of Workforce by wnolens on Thursday November 03, 2022 @10:29PM (#33461212)
The reward is the oodles of money you get when you succeed.
Re:Stripe Layoff 14% of Workforce by ThrowawayR2 on Thursday November 03, 2022 @02:45PM (#33455519)
> "They're rewarded for making bold bets, whether or not they pay off."

If leaders were rewarded for being conservative instead of making bold bets, Linux and open source would never have taken off, nor would most tech startups.

Re:Stripe Layoff 14% of Workforce by RestlessMind on Thursday November 03, 2022 @12:10PM (#33453202)
> There are rarely if ever any serious consequences to top execs screwing up wealthy companies.

That is because any exec worth her salt would negotiate a generous golden parachute even before starting the job. And why is she able to do that? Because there are very few competent candidates available in the market. If you think the job is easy, just go and get one of those exec positions and you will learn.

Re:Stripe Layoff 14% of Workforce by pmoriarty on Thursday November 03, 2022 @04:41PM (#33457191)
"Because there are very few competent candidates available in the market"

Just because you're hired for one of those positions doesn't mean you're competent.

Re:Stripe Layoff 14% of Workforce by RestlessMind on Friday November 04, 2022 @12:40AM (#33462271)
Yes, but that is not possible to know a priori. So people rely on heuristics. And if things go wrong, execs want to make sure that they have a golden parachute.

Do you have an idea to judge exec competence effectively? If so, you can have a very successful company based on that.