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Re:Rate Hikes Are Affecting the Economy by automatic6131 on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @05:35AM (#33433257)
> that over a million Americans died from Covid-19

Sounds like a lot, but over 2 years, you'd expect more than 6 million Americans to die from all causes (you can work that out easily from an ~80 year life expectancy and 300+ million Americans). A significant fraction of those who would die anyway, will die with Covid and be counted in that 1 million. Tell me the excess deaths as a percentage, and anything under 50% excess deaths isn't really going to do that much to the economy.

Oh, and then the surge in excess deaths is followed by a fall (of less than that X% for sure). Bringing the deaths of the sickest Americans forward by about a year is actually going to improve the economy, in all likelihood.

Anyway, the "million Americans dead from Covid" statement is nearly always divorced from the context of "3 million Americans die every year".

Re:Rate Hikes Are Affecting the Economy by autoexec on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @06:11AM (#33433530)
> Bringing the deaths of the sickest Americans forward by about a year

Or a decade or more: https://abcnews.go.com/Health/people-coronavirus-dying-10-ye...

Re:Rate Hikes Are Affecting the Economy by obiefernandez on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @12:09PM (#33438141)
Wonder if this will have a tangible effect on upcoming elections.
Re:Rate Hikes Are Affecting the Economy by autoexec on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @03:13PM (#33441401)
Republicans (who tend to be older) encouraging their voters to get infected, avoid going to hospitals, and demand ineffective treatments seemed like a strange move to me, and research suggests that people in counties that voted for trump were many times more likely to die from the virus than people in places that voted for democrats. At times I've wondered if GOP leadership was actively trying to cut away some of the crazy in their base or if they expected the virus would be much worse for minorities in urban areas than for republicans in rural areas and miscalculated when sacrificing their own voters in order to promote spreading the virus.

Whatever their "logic" was the virus has been killing many more republicans than democrats for some time. https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/national-international/study...

Re:Rate Hikes Are Affecting the Economy by happythebob on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @10:17AM (#33436181)
>https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2022/03/united-states...

It's not difficult to find expected deaths vs actual deaths in 2020, but I've been on the internet long enough to know that someone who laces their post with conservative buzzwords, aka someone who hasn't learned themselves into their position, will have no interest in learning anything they disagree with.

2020 had the largest mortality spike in 100 years and 15-20% more deaths than expected, despite a lockdown which would reduce some accidental death rate such as car accidents.

But I'm making this post for people who care about reality, not for you.

Re:Rate Hikes Are Affecting the Economy by refurb on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @10:46AM (#33436677)
Interesting. The excess deaths from graph looks to be ~500,000 to 600,000, not the 1,000,000 that is claimed.
Re:Rate Hikes Are Affecting the Economy by katbyte on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @11:09AM (#33437082)
There are two datapoints with a 500,000-750,000 jump so yes the chart shows over 1,000,0000. And that doesn’t take into account the drop in normal deaths from lockdowns and wfh but anyways.
Re:Rate Hikes Are Affecting the Economy by refurb on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @07:10PM (#33444149)
Two jumps? So 1.5M died?

But you are correct, it's cumulative, so without Covid you'd expect max ~100,000 more deaths per year (aging population), so the baseline would be

2019 - 2.8M (+0 excess deaths)

2020 - 2.9M (+500k excess deaths)

2021 - 3.0M (+400k excess deaths)

So 900k.

Re:Rate Hikes Are Affecting the Economy by gtr on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @12:05PM (#33438059)
I guess half a million people dying is fine then.
Re:Rate Hikes Are Affecting the Economy by hnaccount_rng on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @12:30PM (#33438513)
But that works out nicely right? 6m typical + 1m by covid -> 15-20% extra?