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Re:George Hotz is leaving Comma.ai by Rahul_Ligma on Monday October 31, 2022 @12:38PM (#33408344)
I wish HN would have a guideline wherein commenters which are particularly dismissive have to post their own professional experience in the relevant field and then articulate why this person is wrong, off the mark, et cetera. As it stands, most of this as of the posting time stamp amounts to nothing more than “I don’t like Geohotz.” (This is a running theme with Hotz that’s at least a decade old).

As it stands majority of this thread are comments bashing and slighting someone who is, by all standards, very successful in their field, certainly well known in their community, and who has almost two decades of track record of getting things done. The comments, on the other hand, have nothing to show for themselves.

If this is what the commentary of the top front-page thread concerning a hacker savant looks like, then I’m pretty sure the hacker spirit on HN is dead.

Re:George Hotz is leaving Comma.ai by prvit on Monday October 31, 2022 @12:43PM (#33408436)
> As it stands, most of this as of the posting time stamp amounts to nothing more than “I don’t like Geohotz.” (This is a running theme with Hotz that’s at least a decade old).

Well… duh? This is sort of a defining part of his personality. Of course it’s going to be brought up every time he comes up.

It’s just like nobody is going to discuss Terry A. Davis and only speak of his work on TempleOS.

> someone who is, by all standards, very successful in their field,

What field is that? Not self-driving cars, anyway.

Re:George Hotz is leaving Comma.ai by Rahul_Ligma on Monday October 31, 2022 @01:44PM (#33409600)
> This is sort of a defining part of his personality.

No it isn’t. Your perception of him is warped because you read the Hotz Haters Digest on HN and elsewhere. Go read his blog posts and you might learn a thing or two about what he’s really like. Go watch his interviews on YouTube. He may not be the most impressionable individual (nerds rarely are, even Carmack is criticized for being robotic sometimes). He’s opinionated and he likes to say provocative things for the interviewers to throw them off guard and not be so monotone, but that doesn’t make him a person worthy of being scorned in every thread on HN. He’s far more capable and far more nuanced than people give him credit for. It’s just shitty watching this community eat people who brought it up to what it is today (referring to hackers and crackers alike).

Re:George Hotz is leaving Comma.ai by prvit on Monday October 31, 2022 @01:52PM (#33409729)
Why would I go read his blog posts? I’ve spent ~years talking to the guy on irc.

Why would reading HN takes influence my views on him over my personal experiences?

Re:George Hotz is leaving Comma.ai by Rahul_Ligma on Monday October 31, 2022 @02:13PM (#33410058)
You’ve spent years talking to him and your conclusion to his work is that he’s not successful/well-known in the car self-driving field?

Boy, he must have seriously pissed in your Cheerios. Which of your suggestions did he shoot down?

Re:George Hotz is leaving Comma.ai by prvit on Monday October 31, 2022 @02:17PM (#33410124)
No doubt he’s well known.

Successful? Comma.ai has raised a rather small amount of money and hasn’t delivered anything except a toy for a couple of nerds.

I really can’t imagine by which metric you’d call his work in self-driving “a success”. It certainly hasn’t been a commercial success.

Re:George Hotz is leaving Comma.ai by Rahul_Ligma on Monday October 31, 2022 @02:24PM (#33410240)
> Successful? Comma.ai has raised a rather small amount of money and hasn’t delivered anything except a toy for a couple of nerds.

I rest my case. Go troll elsewhere.

Re:George Hotz is leaving Comma.ai by prvit on Monday October 31, 2022 @02:27PM (#33410298)
What has comma.ai delivered? Who are their customers?
Re:George Hotz is leaving Comma.ai by vasco on Monday October 31, 2022 @12:45PM (#33408491)
You're asking for this forum to be based on appeals to authority as opposed to voting, which usually doesn't go down well, and I also disagree would be better - stuff with merit usually gets voted up, just give it time.
Re:George Hotz is leaving Comma.ai by Rahul_Ligma on Monday October 31, 2022 @01:37PM (#33409486)
I’m asking you to show your work.
Re:George Hotz is leaving Comma.ai by pvg on Monday October 31, 2022 @01:20PM (#33409140)
Re:George Hotz is leaving Comma.ai by Rahul_Ligma on Monday October 31, 2022 @01:36PM (#33409480)
Exactly. I’m not referring to what’s upvoted the most (don’t care). I’m directly referring to the tone of the over all thread, the volume of comments en masse.

Voting one way or the other doesn't change this.

Of course, I’m not surprised that HN is bashing Hotz - any amount of tangible success will bring about negative rhetoric from people who don’t like seeing others succeed. It’s just that HN keeps having its own slashdot iPhone moment on a weekly basis, and it’s awful to see it in a tech community (I hope it’s still a tech community). Really tone deaf and petulant takes by people who should think twice before hitting the reply button.

Re:George Hotz is leaving Comma.ai by pvg on Monday October 31, 2022 @02:37PM (#33410488)
Right but it's hard to take this as genuine concern for the quality of the forum when you're mostly posting troll things with a troll username. You want to improve the tone, post things that improve the tone.
Re:George Hotz is leaving Comma.ai by Apocryphon on Monday October 31, 2022 @01:20PM (#33409150)
The real Ligma would never have stood for this.
Re:George Hotz is leaving Comma.ai by Rahul_Ligma on Monday October 31, 2022 @01:49PM (#33409685)
Just earlier today, I walked out of comma in solidarity with Hotz. They didn’t even have to tell me I was being laid off. You’ll read it about it in the WaPo soon.
Re:George Hotz is leaving Comma.ai by pvg on Monday October 31, 2022 @12:54PM (#33408664)
There are lots of guidelines about that, as well as about novelty-name accounts and about posting bombastic meta.