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Re:ReMarkable 2 by huggingmouth on Thursday October 27, 2022 @05:23AM (#33355186)
I bought a rm2 a while back but abandoned it when I discovered it had extremely weak security: no fde, a weak remotely-resettable 4 digit pin, no local file syncing (doesn't appear as a mass storage device when plugged in as a usb, doesnt support standard file transfer protocols), non-e2ee (!!) cloud syncing (their company can see my notes unencrypted).

Now I use an android tablet that I locked down + synching and i couldn't be happier. The only thing I'm missing now is a good note taking app that writes my notes to a directory that can be synced with synching. Recent versions of android broke this for all apps except Google's Files app unfortunately.

Re:ReMarkable 2 by afandian on Thursday October 27, 2022 @05:36AM (#33355268)
Like it or not, they're pitching it as an appliance to replace a notepad. I think the marketing is quite clever, and I applaud their focus.

But it does mean that they deliberately exclude bells and whistles that you would expect from a general-purpose software device. Though IMHO with every added feature, they are scope-creeping away from the spartan value prop.

FWIW the USB exposes it over a virtual network which lets you do fun stuff like SSH. But that's for fun, not serious.

Re:ReMarkable 2 by Phemist on Thursday October 27, 2022 @05:58AM (#33355414)
You still cannot simply rsync (+ some processing?) the files contained on the device though, because PDFs and their annotations (your scribblings) are stored as separate files and their rendering software is proprietary
Re:ReMarkable 2 by goosedragons on Thursday October 27, 2022 @06:20AM (#33355525)
Is it? I think this will doom the device and the company. They exclude a lot while not being cheaper than competitors and they shove basic functionality into a subscription. And yet this notebook replacement doesn't even come with the pen in the box either.

Why would anyone spend $300+$80 for a Remarkable 2 when a Kobo Elipsa or Kindle Scribe is less and they are better at book reading, have features like a screen light and don't need a subscription to do things like cloud sync? Marginally better note taking feel?

Re:ReMarkable 2 by afandian on Thursday October 27, 2022 @06:55AM (#33355765)
These promotional videos show their deliberate positioning as an anti-"mobile device".

(warning- jump scare!) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcdxW2XF0v8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUZ9QEbJ5sc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEw6N9Xd6uE

Re:ReMarkable 2 by goosedragons on Thursday October 27, 2022 @07:11AM (#33355888)
Right. But as someone with a similar Boox device I find I get most of the benefits while still getting a lot more functionality. When I had an iPad I found it was a lot easier to just go hop on YouTube or Reddit or whatever than to read that paper or think about my problem. With the Boox device YouTube and Reddit are still miserable to use because low refresh rate B&W eInk but I still have the ability to read my Kindle library, access my OneDrive and use Libby. Most of the bad distractions are eliminated, the writing feel is good enough IMO and it cost about the same while having a better feature set.

I just don't understand paying $40 more than a Kindle Scribe to cut out maybe 1 or 2 minor distractions.

Re:ReMarkable 2 by afandian on Thursday October 27, 2022 @08:03AM (#33356285)
I'm honestly torn. I love the positive statement of minimalism.

But I think a product category has grown up around them and eaten some of the lunch that they decided not to eat. Even if they continue to differentiate themselves from other e-ink tablets, they are still in the same market category. So, competetively, if they differentiate on fewer features, they should probably do so at reduced cost.

Which puts them in a bind, because the hardware isn't simpler so the raw materials don't come cheaper. And even more irony, their software is custom, so it's not even cheaper to build or maintain than the Android based ones.

Re:ReMarkable 2 by tomtheelder on Thursday October 27, 2022 @11:44AM (#33359313)
I think reMarkable as an org just isn't very good at software. They are continually adding functionality, and it's like really basic core stuff a lot of the time, but it just comes in at a _glacial_ pace. They are older than Boox's notepad type offering, and much older than Kindle Scribe, but they are already behind in software support and quality.

I have one, and the physical device is excellent, and the experience on it is great if you stay WAY in your lane (note taking on top of PDFs is probably the single strongest use case), but the software just always feels behind.

Re:ReMarkable 2 by marcus_holmes on Thursday October 27, 2022 @06:25AM (#33355560)
I keep mine in airplane mode unless/until I want to transfer stuff or update it. I don't even use the PIN at all.

It's a replacement for my notebook - it's at least as secure as a physical notebook, and several times lighter (I'd need about 5 notebooks for everything I've got on it).

Re:ReMarkable 2 by visarga on Thursday October 27, 2022 @07:05AM (#33355838)
I keep it in front of my keyboard in landscape mode, like a large trackpad. I've scribbled over 2000 pages since I bought it. Meeting notes, planning, algorithm design, mind maps... I usually never read again what I doodle on it, only sometimes it helps me refresh some data. So it's like unlimited paper.
Re:ReMarkable 2 by marcus_holmes on Thursday October 27, 2022 @07:40AM (#33356098)
I kept a paper notebook for years, using a page a day to scribble to-do's on it and replacing it each year. I have an archive box with years of notebooks in it that I should probably get rid of.

I now have a year's worth on notes in the remarkable, with no need to archive it. I look forward to being able to astound people with my instant recall of meeting notes from years ago ;)

I have actually used mine for sketching, too. It works - and the ability to zoom in for details is cool :)

Re:ReMarkable 2 by wellthisisgreat on Thursday October 27, 2022 @09:15AM (#33357007)
do you have any stand you'd recommend for that? I mean to hold it for scribbling? I have Ratta Supernote which I love and would want to use it like that too
Re:ReMarkable 2 by lmarcos on Thursday October 27, 2022 @06:25AM (#33355561)
Don't get it. If I ever buy a device like Remarkable it's because of its display (easy on the eyes, reads like paper, etc.). If you couldn't be happier using a normal Android tablet (which has a normal display), then why did you go for the Remarkable in the first place?
Re:ReMarkable 2 by mackrevinack on Thursday October 27, 2022 @06:36AM (#33355631)
boox make ereaders that use android as the OS
Re:ReMarkable 2 by girvo on Thursday October 27, 2022 @08:09AM (#33356346)
If someone wants the flexibility of android but the experience of an e-ink reader, I can vouch for the Boox Note models (I have the note 2).
Re:ReMarkable 2 by jbotdev on Thursday October 27, 2022 @06:38AM (#33355641)
I came to a similar conclusion after looking into rm2 and trying one of the similar Boox tablets. They may run android, but security and OS updates seems to be a low priority for these eink tablets.

I ended up getting an iPad Air with the pencil, and one of those matte screen protectors. The OS may be locked down, but I can still choose from a wide variety of note apps/clouds (currently use GoodNotes), and security is obviously top notch.

Re:ReMarkable 2 by chester195 on Thursday October 27, 2022 @07:09AM (#33355871)
How is the feel of writing on the matte screen protector? I've tried the pencil on the screen and the friction and "tap tap tap" sent me back to pencil and paper.
Re:ReMarkable 2 by jbotdev on Thursday October 27, 2022 @07:58AM (#33356254)
It feels closer to writing on paper (or eink) rather than on glass. The main downside is it reduces the clarity of the screen a bit, but I find it acceptable for most media (YouTube, photos, etc.).
Re:ReMarkable 2 by mackrevinack on Thursday October 27, 2022 @06:40AM (#33355650)
what note taking apps have you tried? just off the top of my head, obsidian and joplin both let you choose a custom directory. logseq too but the android app is in beta. i haven't been keeping up to date with note taking apps though so there could be lots more
Re:ReMarkable 2 by girvo on Thursday October 27, 2022 @08:07AM (#33356330)
I have the best of both worlds: my Boox Note 2 is an android tablet but is a 10” e-ink Wacom note taking device too. It’s been brilliant, albeit less polished in some corners than the RM2 of course — but the note taking experience (and reading experience) is not one of them: it’s fantastically polished and performant. And got crazy good after sales support with firmware updates too to add new features to their notes and reading apps
Re:ReMarkable 2 by solarkraft on Thursday October 27, 2022 @09:21AM (#33357083)
> it’s fantastically polished and performant

Except when you want to zoom, pan, not zoom/pan while writing or want an infinite canvas (I do). Or if you don't want your page's content to completely shift away from its background (irreversibly) when rotating the device. Those are just the most prominent bugs I remember, there were more.

I love the writing feel of E-Ink; the software makes it unusable.

You may be thinking "just use another app and hack up the SD to enable scribble mode when using it": Well - With Squid, anyway, pen strokes get lost due to suboptimal palm rejection (what the SDK reports seems to be different from what Android reports). Besides, the SDK only sends the stroke after it has been finished, which would be sub-optimal for potentially collaborative applications like Excalidraw.

Such a letdown. Software updates are great, you can even root it, Syncthing works well. But I mainly use my Nova 2 as a slightly fancier alternative to my Kindle that I'm much more worried about breaking.

I'm still excited about the potential. If anyone reading this is also interested in hacking around on Boox devices, let's talk, maybe: https://gitter.im/boox-users/community

Re:ReMarkable 2 by gamblor956 on Thursday October 27, 2022 @01:15PM (#33360794)
I had the same issues with my Nova 3, but many of them were fixed by the 3.2 firmware update.

There are still some bugs, but they greatly improved the pen experience.

Re:ReMarkable 2 by csdvrx on Thursday October 27, 2022 @03:04PM (#33362419)
Now waiting for 3.3.1 as 3.3 seems very buggy!
Re:ReMarkable 2 by solarkraft on Friday October 28, 2022 @06:38AM (#33369714)
Thanks for the tip! I'm updating right now, let's see whether it helps.
Re:ReMarkable 2 by csdvrx on Thursday October 27, 2022 @03:04PM (#33362413)
> I love the writing feel of E-Ink; the software makes it unusable.

Agreed. It needs specially designed software.

> If anyone reading this is also interested in hacking around on Boox devices, let's talk, maybe: https://gitter.im/boox-users/community

I am.

I recently got a Nova Air C and I'd like to do a few things with it. I'm mostly interested in getting an optimized terminal to use with the rooting feature, to replace the termux frontend by something that'd be better optimized for eink while reusing termux packaged tools.

There seems to be private APIs to do great software, at least on the Sony DPT, Mooink and Fujitsu Quaderno devices from the Sony spinoff Linfiny.

For example, check how this gets faster rewrites on a more limited zone: https://github.com/DPT-RP1/dpt-canvas

A terminal often writes to a small portion of the screen, so everything else could remain static and without ghosting, while this portion of the screen getting new characters would get fast text rewrites, a bit like how you when you write on the notetaking app, it shows immediately yet a bit fuzzy, then it's redrawn later in high quality.

In would require talking to these APIs (so maybe with different modes for different brands like Linfiny/Boox/Remarkable/Kindle) + maintaining a simple map of the terminal screen to do invalidation/refresh as needed.

Re:ReMarkable 2 by solarkraft on Friday October 28, 2022 @06:29AM (#33369659)
> I am

Feel free to join - I find there to be no good community for this so far (there was one on Discord, but the owner nuked it).

> There seems to be private APIs to do great software

Boox has an SDK that is a little bit documented here: https://github.com/onyx-intl/OnyxAndroidDemo

It's a bit hard to understand what component to use for what, if my motivation allows and you're interested I can look for my notes about it. I've personally used the third-party PNGNote as a nice reference: https://github.com/karino2/PngNote

> A terminal often writes to a small portion of the screen, so everything else could remain static and without ghosting

The tablet already handles partial updates pretty well for me, including for Termux.

> while this portion of the screen getting new characters would get fast text rewrites, a bit like how you when you write on the notetaking app, it shows immediately yet a bit fuzzy, then it's redrawn later in high quality.

On a technical level you may be looking for something to automatically switch between one of the fast modes and normal mode/manually refresh the screen. However: Even in X mode the response is definitely not instant. I think the SDK allows directly painting pixels which should be a lot faster and very powerful, but I haven't seen anyone doing so in the wild so far. Let's definitely stay in contact if you're interested in that!

Re:ReMarkable 2 by girvo on Thursday October 27, 2022 @04:56PM (#33363913)
I’ve had zero of those bugs, but you’re right it needs specialised software: that’s why I stick to the built in stuff. Works great for me.
Re:ReMarkable 2 by exabrial on Thursday October 27, 2022 @08:56AM (#33356774)
> weak security

I think security is important, but unless you're going up against a state actor with physical access, I think this isn't a credible threat at this time.

Re:ReMarkable 2 by throwuxiytayq on Thursday October 27, 2022 @09:35AM (#33357249)
Have you really never had any of your data leaked and plastered all over the internet for all eternity? Of course it's a credible threat. Cloud service operators should finally get it into their heads that they can go E2EE or GTFO.
Re:ReMarkable 2 by exabrial on Thursday October 27, 2022 @12:26PM (#33359997)
better question: why does this device even need a cloud? Why does a Roomba need a cloud? Why does a smart lightswitch, a doorbell, or any other of these devices need a cloud?

There is no reason. It's dumb. Sync over wifi to your computer and phone and use MDNS to discover them.

Re:ReMarkable 2 by mhitza on Thursday October 27, 2022 @09:25AM (#33357136)
Or you know, their servers get hacked and everybody's notes are leaked. Or you get a nosie employee that just has raw access to your files.

re2 has been on my radar for at least a year at this point, but given the lack of features, price point, and the not so ideal size for PDF reading I'm still on the lookout. It's a nice looking device, but not quite there yet.

Re:ReMarkable 2 by chungy on Thursday October 27, 2022 @12:27PM (#33360015)
> doesnt support standard file transfer protocols

If sftp isn't standard enough, I'm not sure what is.