Vim After 15 Years

Re:Vim After 15 Years by poszlem on Wednesday October 26, 2022 @07:16PM (#33350914)

This is something I've been thinking about a lot recently, especially since listening to John Carmack interview (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I845O57ZSy4) and him saying that almost nobody uses IDEs at Meta.

I think it is totally possible to be (even very) productive in VIM. I do think, though, that a person who is productive in VIM would be more productive if he used a proper IDE.

This is my experience after I had been using VIM for about 10 years and switched to an IntelliJ IDE (and actually learned it)

(This, of course, assumes that there is a proper IDE for your language)

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Re:Vim After 15 Years by ar_lan on Wednesday October 26, 2022 @07:19PM (#33350940)

> that a person who is productive in VIM would be more productive if he used a proper IDE.

What features does a "proper IDE" offer that, at least Neovim, does not or cannot provide?

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Re:Vim After 15 Years by urthor on Wednesday October 26, 2022 @10:38PM (#33352393)

Complex IDEs offer a promise (backed by $$$).

Class hierarchy visualization, database schema mappings, the latest & greatest in NLP & code completion via plugins. That "just works."

Ultimately, a sufficient amount of configuration adds all those things to Vim/Emacs. Ditto VS Code on a smaller scale.

The issue is how much time.

I use all the obscure features of IDEs. Navigate to next issue, bookmarks, you name it, I've got it, for large codes.

Implementing... all... of the features Intellij/Rider provides out of the box for JVM/React stack in Vim is... an undertaking.

Don't get me wrong. I love SpaceVim, and if I worked in a domain like firmware, I'd be far more comfortable with it.

Maintaining a Vim config that's integrates every tool I need for JVM and React (and machine learning, and all the other domains) is impossible.

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