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Re:Alphabet Earnings Report Q3 2022 [pdf] by ilovecaching on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @04:22PM (#33335628)
The price hike on Youtube premium is insane. I guess it makes sense when every other product you try to bring to market ends in failure. If Google is the creme de la creme of software engineering companies, full of absolute geniuses, why can't they think of a product that people actually want besides charging more/putting out more ads for the products they have?
Re:Alphabet Earnings Report Q3 2022 [pdf] by crazygringo on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @04:40PM (#33335861)
Huh? For individual plans there's no hike ($12/mo.). Family plan went from $18 to $23, hardly insane.

But now if you purchase via iOS instead of the web it's $30 because of the Apple 30% tax. So... don't do that.

The only thing insane is that Apple still takes a cut of streaming/media subscriptions.

Re:Alphabet Earnings Report Q3 2022 [pdf] by browningstreet on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @04:47PM (#33335950)
$15 to $23.

A bit insulting, TBH.

Re:Alphabet Earnings Report Q3 2022 [pdf] by crazygringo on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @05:23PM (#33336352)
No, all news sources reporting the hike say it's been $18 previously, not $15.

$18 to $23 is not insulting. It's still less than the price of two individual subscriptions.

Re:Alphabet Earnings Report Q3 2022 [pdf] by indecisive_user on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @07:58PM (#33337859)
I have a family plan. I can confirm I pay $14.99 per month right now and received an email stating it will increase to $22.99.

Perhaps I'm grandfathered into a cheaper plan, but that's my data point.

Re:Alphabet Earnings Report Q3 2022 [pdf] by CobrastanJorji on Wednesday October 26, 2022 @02:25PM (#33347479)
You're both right. It was $15/mo, then the price went up to $18 but they didn't raise the price for existing subscribers, but this time they're raising the price for existing customers as well, so for the oldest customers, it's a 50%, $15->$23 hike, and for newer customers, it's a 27%, $18->$23 hike.
Re:Alphabet Earnings Report Q3 2022 [pdf] by peppertree on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @04:24PM (#33335650)
Google engineering team is supreme but product team is subpar.
Re:Alphabet Earnings Report Q3 2022 [pdf] by smaug7 on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @04:42PM (#33335875)
While I don't necessarily disagree, my understanding is that engineering tends to drive more of the product decisions. I question how much power the product team actually has.
Re:Alphabet Earnings Report Q3 2022 [pdf] by shadowgovt on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @04:46PM (#33335939)
That has ceased to be true in vast tracts of the company. Cloud, for example, is chasing feature parity with its competitors and engineers are told to implement things because AWS or Azure have them, not because they organically grew out of the architecture of the existing system. In fact, quite a few features annealed poorly onto the existing architecture (which users of Google Cloud may have memory of).
Re:Alphabet Earnings Report Q3 2022 [pdf] by brunoTbear on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @04:56PM (#33336073)
Yeah I think this is rather disconnected from my experience building products inside of GCP.

I'd be curious where you think we could have done better on the annealing with specifics :)

Re:Alphabet Earnings Report Q3 2022 [pdf] by shadowgovt on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @05:06PM (#33336193)
IAM rollout was a chore (and introduced a whole layer of abstraction that users who didn't need fine-grained resource management now needed to be aware of / care about) and workspaces interacted with the existing billing infra in a messy fashion, if memory serves. On the plus side, that was years ago and AFAICT Cloud learned the relevant lessons from those stumbles.
Re:Alphabet Earnings Report Q3 2022 [pdf] by ayberk on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @04:51PM (#33336001)
Huh, citation? :) I'm not saying you're wrong, but as a GCP engineer I have never seen us (well, my org) implementing something because of "AWS or Azure has it".
Re:Alphabet Earnings Report Q3 2022 [pdf] by shadowgovt on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @04:55PM (#33336063)
Memory's a little fuzzy, but I'd put IAM and workspaces in that category.

IAM, in particular, was a huge undertaking in jamming fine-grained access rights onto existing resources where none such existed before, and it was pretty much marching orders from above: "Potential clients can't migrate off AWS because AWS has this and we don't." And it caused more than its fair share of "Why is this API suddenly throwing errors" tickets from existing users who were accustom to the pre-IAM permissions model.

ETA: Re-reading my initial statement, it was over-broad. There is room in Cloud for bottom-up engineering and product design. However, especially relative to the rest of the company (where Google is an industry leader, not entering a market already heavily dominated by an elephant), Cloud spends a lot of its time chasing "table-stakes" features to enable new customers to be on-boarded who can't subscribe to Cloud because they can't migrate their existing flow off AWS without X Y or Z analogous feature available in GCP.

Re:Alphabet Earnings Report Q3 2022 [pdf] by benlivengood on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @05:27PM (#33336394)
Online disk resizing was the one I tracked as it slowly trickled through alpha/beta. To be fair, pretty much every virtualization product had online resizing before GCE, so it could have been a matter of prioritization.

Whatever the heck Vertex AI is compared against the Sagemaker+Ground Truth pile that AWS has. By no means is any of it groundbreaking from either company, just piling open source software and buckets behind UIs, but it seems GCP is doing catch-up there.

Re:Alphabet Earnings Report Q3 2022 [pdf] by ak217 on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @06:42PM (#33337163)
I have been interviewed multiple times by GCP product managers seeking to understand how my team used specific AWS services that Google lacked at the time to learn how to implement Google's competing service.

I would be more concerned if your org wasn't doing this. AWS does it all the time too. The parent post is wrong to paint this as a negative. And GCP has some unquestionably industry leading products too (BigQuery, GKE, Spanner, AI/ML services)

Re:Alphabet Earnings Report Q3 2022 [pdf] by melony on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @04:28PM (#33335708)
I thought they are famous for their "APM program"? Is it simply overrated?
Re:Alphabet Earnings Report Q3 2022 [pdf] by adam_arthur on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @04:39PM (#33335835)
“Signs point to yes”

But for real… it’s prestigious because it’s hard to get into, not because Google is great at product development.

In practice Google’s product muscle has proven to be pretty weak

Re:Alphabet Earnings Report Q3 2022 [pdf] by s3r3nity on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @04:40PM (#33335854)
They've been riding off that "fame" for like 20 years, but it's a completely different situation today vs. when the program was at its peak.
Re:Alphabet Earnings Report Q3 2022 [pdf] by zoltar on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @04:34PM (#33335776)
The house that Marissa built.
Re:Alphabet Earnings Report Q3 2022 [pdf] by thatfrenchguy on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @05:01PM (#33336134)
But are engineering teams not focused on getting the best product out to customers supreme engineering teams? Hardly so imo.
Re:Alphabet Earnings Report Q3 2022 [pdf] by lumost on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @04:24PM (#33335654)
I spotted this in my account. I was originally under the impression youtube premium would be 15 bucks a month... some how it's now up to 30 bucks a month. 6x AppleTV and 2x Netflix.
Re:Alphabet Earnings Report Q3 2022 [pdf] by lotsofpulp on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @04:31PM (#33335746)
Apple TV+ and Netflix are not comparable products to Youtube Premium.

Just comparing Apple Music to YouTube Music Premium, Apple Music is $11 for individual and $17 for family.

YouTube Premium is $12 per month for individual (with an option for $10 per month if prepaying for a year) and $23 per month for family.

So you are basically paying anywhere from -$1 to $6 for no ads on YouTube compared to Apple Music.

Re:Alphabet Earnings Report Q3 2022 [pdf] by dragonwriter on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @04:37PM (#33335821)
> some how it's now up to 30 bucks a month

YouTube Premium is $11.99 individual or $22.99 family (the latter recently increased from $17.99.) Where do you get $30 from?

Re:Alphabet Earnings Report Q3 2022 [pdf] by ilovecaching on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @04:25PM (#33335675)
It's 30 bucks because you're paying via Apple. Google hates the Apple cut so they are now charging an extra 8 dollars a month for not giving them direct access to your credit card info.
Re:Alphabet Earnings Report Q3 2022 [pdf] by smoldesu on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @04:36PM (#33335801)
Are they wrong to do so? It makes no sense for them to make less money on a competitor's platform. There's also no real alternative to YouTube Premium on iOS (see: sideloading limitations) so they could arguably charge $50 a month and retain most of their iOS customers. This is your reward for locking yourself in a room with two hungry corporations.
Re:Alphabet Earnings Report Q3 2022 [pdf] by alimov on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @04:49PM (#33335974)
> so they could arguably charge $50 a month and retain most of their iOS customers.

Source?

Re:Alphabet Earnings Report Q3 2022 [pdf] by smoldesu on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @05:03PM (#33336153)
It's hyperbole, but people would still buy it. On iOS, Google is allowed to monopolize YouTube and it shows us a dark vision for the future of platforms that enable this kind of lockdown. Google can treat the platform like a second class citizen, buy up latent iOS advertising, force people to use an inferior app and still profit handsomely off it, all at the same time.

This doesn't have to be the case. But Apple's lockdown enables Google's tyranny, so there's really no other choice. On other platforms, I can install apps like NewPipe on watch YouTube in the background without needing to download anything from Google besides the videos I want. Google is not the savior of this story by any means, but they're not afraid to play Apple's game of turning iOS users into hostages.

Re:Alphabet Earnings Report Q3 2022 [pdf] by scarface74 on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @04:52PM (#33336011)
They got to make up for that $18B+ a year they pay Apple to be the default search engine some kind of way.
Re:Alphabet Earnings Report Q3 2022 [pdf] by adam_arthur on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @04:41PM (#33335864)
They charge more because Apple takes an enormous cut. What kind of insane bias is your comment about CC data
Re:Alphabet Earnings Report Q3 2022 [pdf] by ilovecaching on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @04:52PM (#33336013)
I'd rather give my CC info to Apple than to the world's largest personal data and ad farm tbh.
Re:Alphabet Earnings Report Q3 2022 [pdf] by adam_arthur on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @05:18PM (#33336308)
Yes, and you pay a 30% fee for that
Re:Alphabet Earnings Report Q3 2022 [pdf] by olliej on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @05:22PM (#33336334)
This really is the crux of the problem - I don’t think Apple “deserves” 30% cut[1], but I would rather pay with Apple Pay if necessary, or through iAP than give my CC, name, address, email, … to more companies, certainly not any of those ones that have sketch approach to security, or explicitly sell your info for profit.

[1] I think that there is an argument to be made that the store fee subsidizes everything that people don’t generally pay Apple for explicitly, which makes it possible for free/cheap apps to exist. I don’t personally feel like that argument reaches 30% however.

Re:Alphabet Earnings Report Q3 2022 [pdf] by riversflow on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @05:49PM (#33336613)
Good news, you can have your cake and eat it too. Get an Apple Card, buy it through the web, and then request a new CC number from the wallet App.
Re:Alphabet Earnings Report Q3 2022 [pdf] by noelsusman on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @04:37PM (#33335814)
That seems reasonable?
Re:Alphabet Earnings Report Q3 2022 [pdf] by tick_tock_tick on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @04:44PM (#33335914)
I wish every subscription service did this. Make it very clear you subbing via Apple so you get charged 100% more. I can't think of a more parasitic rent seeking piece of trash policy then Apple's fucking 30% cut. Google too but you can at-least skip them without them banning you.
Re:Alphabet Earnings Report Q3 2022 [pdf] by scarface74 on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @04:53PM (#33336037)
You can skip Apple too. Plenty of streaming apps don’t allow you to pay within the App Store including Netflix, Spotify, Hulu Live TV, etc.

Every retail outlet gets a “cut” when you buy from their store.

Re:Alphabet Earnings Report Q3 2022 [pdf] by smoldesu on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @05:06PM (#33336184)
I hope the consumers know that. It would be a real shame if they accidentally clicked Apple's happy-path IAP and paid twice as much for their YouTube Premium subscription.
Re:Alphabet Earnings Report Q3 2022 [pdf] by scarface74 on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @06:24PM (#33336946)
Or Google could just not allow in app purchasing at all like Netflix, Spotify, etc.

Are you also as outraged when consumers can buy cheaper goods online than at a BestBuy?

Re:Alphabet Earnings Report Q3 2022 [pdf] by alphabetting on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @04:28PM (#33335713)
I've always been surprised that YouTube has been that profitable to begin with. 40k hours of video uploaded every hour and all the watch time is pretty mind boggling.
Re:Alphabet Earnings Report Q3 2022 [pdf] by jorams on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @05:12PM (#33336243)
I don't think they've ever released how profitable YouTube is? Only revenues. I've always assumed it's unprofitable given what must be ridiculous operational costs.
Re:Alphabet Earnings Report Q3 2022 [pdf] by pvarangot on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @04:30PM (#33335740)
Geniuses in their underwear at home resting and vesting no make you money.
Re:Alphabet Earnings Report Q3 2022 [pdf] by ThalesX on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @04:36PM (#33335808)
You'd think the largest tracking machine humanity has ever built would be able to tell whether their 'underwear'-clad engineers are implementing the assigned tasks as expected.
Re:Alphabet Earnings Report Q3 2022 [pdf] by pvarangot on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @06:39PM (#33337119)
The assigned task is not working for the competition
Re:Alphabet Earnings Report Q3 2022 [pdf] by shadowgovt on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @04:48PM (#33335971)
This is different from pre-2020 when they were in their underwear in the office.

(... I've heard stories. ;) )

Re:Alphabet Earnings Report Q3 2022 [pdf] by shadowgovt on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @04:44PM (#33335906)
Most problems Google is trying to solve now outside their core competency and existing offerings are not, fundamentally, software engineering problems.

Consider the saga of Stadia. The tech is rock-solid. That fact did nothing to address developers not wanting to risk a platform that might not have customers, customers not wanting to subscribe to a platform that may not have long-term support, game development itself being the world's biggest game of craps, entire swathes of the world lacking enough internet bandwidth for realtime streaming, and nobody trusting Google to lean into something at an operational loss for more than a few years anymore (with the exception-proving-the-rule of Cloud).

Re:Alphabet Earnings Report Q3 2022 [pdf] by skohan on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @05:31PM (#33336446)
I think they really failed to deliver on the core promise of Stadia: making games a part of the internet the way YouTube videos are.

If they really made it the case that AAA gaming was just another type of content you might bump into in a pre-roll ad, or in one of your social media content streams, I have a hard time imagining how that would not be a massive success.

It's an incredibly rich form of content, and they would have been competitive in so many ways. Think about all the kids and teenagers out there who would love to play games and for whatever reason can't get access to gaming hardware.

If they could somehow get a free taste of AAA games on their phones, it seems like you would be able to find some way to make that profitable over time.

Instead it ended up being a worse console which nobody knew existed.

Re:Alphabet Earnings Report Q3 2022 [pdf] by benjaminwootton on Wednesday October 26, 2022 @12:36AM (#33339870)
I never heard that was the ambition for Stadia, but it’s a very powerful idea to make gaming more “ambient”.
Re:Alphabet Earnings Report Q3 2022 [pdf] by skohan on Wednesday October 26, 2022 @04:47AM (#33341252)
It was part of the initial announcement. They talked about for instance being able to watch a streamer on YouTube, and press a button to pick up in the game right where they are.
Re:Alphabet Earnings Report Q3 2022 [pdf] by modeless on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @05:29PM (#33336416)
Stadia definitely had software engineering related issues. The latency and stream reliability might have been better than competing services, but I found the UI and store to be quite lame. Features that were promised at launch (e.g. YouTube integration) took years to show up and weren't as good as advertised. Launching a game took too many clicks and way too much waiting. It should have been instant and that alone would have been huge. Porting games to Stadia was too hard leading to an anemic catalog; meanwhile Valve knows that the catalog is everything and engineered Steam Deck to run unmodified Windows game binaries on Linux! Google ultimately failed to take advantage of the unique advantages that streaming should have given them, and without any compelling unique features Stadia was just a worse version of consoles with a subscription fee.

The pricing model was probably the biggest single issue, but I believe better engineering could have made a difference.

Re:Alphabet Earnings Report Q3 2022 [pdf] by BakeInBeens on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @06:27PM (#33336987)
The YouTube integration launched after one year. The games were a single click, had direct links and could be launched by voice assistant on any compatible cast device. It was also as easy to port games too as any Linux port would be. Online play was free, subscription unnecessary unless you needed 4K and more than 50 games in the subscription on sign-up.
Re:Alphabet Earnings Report Q3 2022 [pdf] by modeless on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @07:01PM (#33337368)
Launching a Stadia game was never truly one click for me. It always required several, and then you'd have to endure the same old load screens and splash screens and menus as any other platform. The load times should have been faster, and they should have had platform requirements to make it faster to jump into gameplay without nagivating menus after load. I heard them talk about deep links directly into gameplay but I never saw it, it must not have been implemented in many games. But I did see a bunch of Stadia account related clickthrough BS that added more clicks and more load time (and sometimes bugs) when all I wanted to do was play.

> It was also as easy to port games too as any Linux port would be

And nobody bothers to port to Linux either. It isn't trivial in many cases. And I believe Stadia wasn't just as easy because of a Vulkan requirement along with other platform integration and certification stuff. An unhappy medium of too many platform requirements to be trivial to port to, but not enough to actually make Stadia a better experience than other platforms.

> Online play was free

Only if you bought games at full price, trusting Google to run the service forever (clearly a risky bet which was obvious to everybody at the time and not just in hindsight).

> more than 50 games in the subscription

The selection was not compelling compared to other platforms' subscriptions. If they had had a larger catalog to draw from, that might have helped.

Re:Alphabet Earnings Report Q3 2022 [pdf] by _trampeltier on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @04:58PM (#33336096)
In theorie, I was interested in Stadia, but a subscription but I still have to buy the game WTF. So of course I did not even try.
Re:Alphabet Earnings Report Q3 2022 [pdf] by shadowgovt on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @05:09PM (#33336217)
Yeah, that's high on the list of things that harmed the platform.

Hypothetically, if they'd wanted to go a totally different direction, the could have courted game developers willing to create games for them that would have been offerable at a pure-subscription rate. But they chased AAA games and hit a major market issue: there was no way AAA publishers were going to under-cut their per-unit sales in other channels by offering with-subscription access to their product and trusting Google would pay them enough to make that worth their while.

Re:Alphabet Earnings Report Q3 2022 [pdf] by ThatPlayer on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @06:05PM (#33336761)
See, that's why I think Stadia is an example of their failure in marketing.

You didn't actually need both the subscription and the game. Subscription is just for > 1080p streaming and other 'pro' features. You could just buy a game without any subscription.

Re:Alphabet Earnings Report Q3 2022 [pdf] by UncleMeat on Wednesday October 26, 2022 @09:24AM (#33343306)
I think this is really interesting.

Stadia didn't require a subscription. You could just buy games and play them. But loads of people came to the conclusion that you needed a subscription. My going hypothesis is that this was caused by the free trial of the subscription service (higher resolution, cheaper games) that everybody got when they launched. So since people couldn't access the games without getting the free trial they assumed that this meant that they couldn't access the games without a subscription.

Re:Alphabet Earnings Report Q3 2022 [pdf] by mrkramer on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @07:03PM (#33337385)
>Most problems Google is trying to solve now outside their core competency and existing offerings are not, fundamentally, software engineering problems.

Their problems are mixed bag problems. First of their problems is lack of vision. No clear backlog/roadmap and UX vision of their products.

Second set of problems are software related problems as of technical debt, maintaining codebase of their software products and lack of understanding of how their algorithms actually work e.g ranking algorithms, recommendation algorithms etc.

Re:Alphabet Earnings Report Q3 2022 [pdf] by Aleksdev on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @05:10PM (#33336222)
I think GCP, YouTube and Google maps are pretty good products. To answer your question. I don’t think it’s that easy to create a product that people love.
Re:Alphabet Earnings Report Q3 2022 [pdf] by explodingwaffle on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @05:23PM (#33336349)
I don’t understand why anyone would pay that much for YouTube premium- isn’t it just no ads, and background play? In what universe is that worth £16/$12 a month?? You could get two “real” streaming services for that if you pushed it a little.
Re:Alphabet Earnings Report Q3 2022 [pdf] by sidibe on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @05:31PM (#33336450)
No ads and background play are great though. YouTube music also means you don't need a Spotify subscription which is $10 by itself. Altogether it is worth it to me
Re:Alphabet Earnings Report Q3 2022 [pdf] by krisroadruck on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @05:46PM (#33336581)
No ads is worth quite a bit to me. I wish more platforms had this option to opt out of them legitimately. I would gladly pay another 25% on top of my YouTube Premium subscription if they would also enforce no in-content/native ads from the creators (just ask them to tag the beginning and end of the sponsored section, and auto-skip for premium subscribers). I basically lose my shit every time I have to hear "this episode brought to you by square space" lol.
Re:Alphabet Earnings Report Q3 2022 [pdf] by nitrixion on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @07:58PM (#33337856)
This is yet another instance where piracy provides the better product.

Installing uBlock Origin and SponsorBlock makes Youtube a much better product than simply paying for premium. If you haven't used it, SponsorBlock is a crowd sourced browser extension that identifies and skips sections of videos like "This content is brought to you by..."

I used to pay for premium and use YT Music, but after getting fed up with YTM I cancelled. I'm noticing a much MUCH better experience using UBO and SponsorBlock. Unfortunately, this setup means the creators don't get any revenue from me.

If only YouTube offered such an experience at a reasonable cost.

Re:Alphabet Earnings Report Q3 2022 [pdf] by krisroadruck on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @08:32PM (#33338152)
I do rock ubo but hadn’t heard of sponsoreblock. Problem is 50%+ of my YouTube consumption is on a tv where extensions can’t help
Re:Alphabet Earnings Report Q3 2022 [pdf] by munificent on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @06:34PM (#33337063)
I watch YouTube more than all other streaming services combined. The ad-free experience is absolute bliss. Most of my music listening these days is DJ mixes on YouTube and having ads in the middle of those would drive me insane. I also watch a ton of hobby YouTube with the kids and I love not having ads in the middle of all that. (Of course, the videos themselves often have product placement and other stuff, but at least that feels more essential and organic.)
Re:Alphabet Earnings Report Q3 2022 [pdf] by PKop on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @07:11PM (#33337471)
You're forgetting the music streaming service that's a part of it. Spotify is $9.99 so how is this not comparably worth it?
Re:Alphabet Earnings Report Q3 2022 [pdf] by CamperBob2 on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @07:17PM (#33337527)
There's more entertaining, educational, and just plain useful content on YouTube than cable ever offered. The value proposition is certainly there. I don't consider Premium to be a bad deal at all.

If there's a threat to the value proposition, it's increasingly-intrusive sponsorship messaging. But that's outside Google's ability to control.

Re:Alphabet Earnings Report Q3 2022 [pdf] by justapassenger on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @08:00PM (#33337888)
And those "real" streaming services have much lower quality and diversity of content.

There's no match for YouTube, as long as you are not after movies, but very broad "video" content. Nothing even close to it. 4 coffees per month so my whole family can enjoy it without ads? It's a bargain for me.

Re:Alphabet Earnings Report Q3 2022 [pdf] by csdreamer7 on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @08:08PM (#33337961)
That, and to support their favorite Youtube creators. LTT has said the watchtime payouts from Premium are worth more than ads.
Re:Alphabet Earnings Report Q3 2022 [pdf] by factsaresacred on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @08:12PM (#33337989)
3 coffees a month to never be interrupted by an advert on Youtube again is a bargain. I think you need to try it to understand what a relief it is.
Re:Alphabet Earnings Report Q3 2022 [pdf] by benjaminwootton on Wednesday October 26, 2022 @12:39AM (#33339889)
It is quite punchy for an online service, but you would have to prise YouTube Premium from my cold dead hands. I visit YouTube multiple times per day for work, entertainment, research etc. Without Premiun there are so many ad units it’s painful.
Re:Alphabet Earnings Report Q3 2022 [pdf] by kweingar on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @09:06PM (#33338423)
> every other product you try to bring to market ends in failure

Pretty difficult to square >$250B of annual revenue with “all of your products are failures” and “can’t think of a product that people actually want”

Re:Alphabet Earnings Report Q3 2022 [pdf] by wutbrodo on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @11:23PM (#33339447)
> If Google is the creme de la creme of software engineering companies, full of absolute geniuses, why can't they think of a product

This question seems to answer itself? Engineering skills are not product skills, and Google kinda sucks at product