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Re:Ask HN: Am I getting older or did typing on the iPhone be... by markus_zhang on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @10:07PM (#33256592)
Vent: I'm on Android and still haven't seen a well done cursor scroll. It usually requires me to select the position accurately which is PITA. I wish there was a simple way to do that.
Re:Ask HN: Am I getting older or did typing on the iPhone be... by tails4e on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @10:21PM (#33256705)
Hold spacebar on android and drag lefg/right lets you cursor scroll really easily.
Re:Ask HN: Am I getting older or did typing on the iPhone be... by markus_zhang on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @10:29PM (#33256771)
Thanks. Doesn't work on my phone. I'll check it out in product forum.
Re:Ask HN: Am I getting older or did typing on the iPhone be... by fire on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @10:57PM (#33256994)
iirc this is a google keyboard feature specifically; it was added sometime after the pixel 3 released, I think?
Re:Ask HN: Am I getting older or did typing on the iPhone be... by tails4e on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @11:32PM (#33257267)
The keyboard I have is Microsoft SwiftKey, on a Huawei P30, so could be multiple different ways of getting it.
Re:Ask HN: Am I getting older or did typing on the iPhone be... by fire on Thursday October 20, 2022 @02:43PM (#33278889)
oh yeah swiftkey did clone the feature more recently!
Re:Ask HN: Am I getting older or did typing on the iPhone be... by chasebank on Wednesday October 19, 2022 @12:19AM (#33257606)
This is also true for iOS. It used to be hold any key to move cursor, then they got rid of that functionality. I found out last week you can hold space bar! It's back!!!
Re:Ask HN: Am I getting older or did typing on the iPhone be... by kergonath on Wednesday October 19, 2022 @02:27AM (#33258442)
AFAIK it was Force Touch on any key, and they changed it to long touch on the space bar when they got rid of Force Touch.
Re:Ask HN: Am I getting older or did typing on the iPhone be... by Diapason on Wednesday October 19, 2022 @08:38PM (#33269565)
Pixel5 and bilingual user -> space bar is hacked by a language change option on long press (can;t deactivate this feature:( ), although there is ALSO a dedicated (optional) key for that that I have activated :(
Re:Ask HN: Am I getting older or did typing on the iPhone be... by awinter-py on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @10:43PM (#33256896)
treat the spacebar like a trackpad

but: not sure if this is my aging droid or a general issue, but this works the second time for me, but inserts a space the first time I do it in a keyboard session

it also has a new trick where it will show me a word as I'm swiping the swipe keyboard, then type a different word when I release

Re:Ask HN: Am I getting older or did typing on the iPhone be... by devilbunny on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @10:48PM (#33256924)
Been a while since I've used Android, and it's no longer available (you'll have to find an old .apk, maybe it would still work), but Swype was hands-down the best phone keyboard I've ever used. It had an editing keyboard layout that allowed single-character movement of the cursor, easily selected by Swyping from the Swype key to something else (space bar, maybe?). Swype-X, Swype-C, Swype-V for cut, copy, and paste, and they actually worked well.

Apple's knockoff is nowhere near as good, and routinely "forgets" custom words including curses. My text language is often not PG-rated, let alone G-rated.

Re:Ask HN: Am I getting older or did typing on the iPhone be... by kyriakos on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @11:29PM (#33257250)
I'm super happy with Microsoft SwiftKey. With friends and family we type in a dialect which is not an official language but after using it for a bit it picked up most of the spelling I use and autocompletes sentences with good accuracy.
Re:Ask HN: Am I getting older or did typing on the iPhone be... by Diapason on Wednesday October 19, 2022 @07:15PM (#33269016)
Came here to say this exact same thing.

I still remember - November 2013, I was interviewing for some jobs in Boulder CO, and was invited to dinner by a tech entrepreneur. I showed him how good Swype was. Back then I had a tiny-weenie Xperia (S, or SL or U??). I remember clearly how blown away he was. And I remember clearly how enjoyable it was to actually be able to swype one handed. I did not even ever had a case protector for this phone, and managed to never break it because I would not drop it!

I can't remember which of the phones I had after that with which I was so sad when i realized Swype had disappeared when I could not reinstall it :(I had tried Swift key, the Stock google, and I think another one, but none never came close to Swype learning algorithm :(

Re:Ask HN: Am I getting older or did typing on the iPhone be... by roguesherlock on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @11:43PM (#33257340)
iPhone 7 with its 3D Touch had the best cursor scroll tbh. You hard press your thumb anywhere on the keyboard and use it like a mousepad to scroll around. I’m still mad that we don’t have that anymore.
Re:Ask HN: Am I getting older or did typing on the iPhone be... by mickelsen on Wednesday October 19, 2022 @12:03AM (#33257491)
Ah yeah, for text handling and some item selection stories 3D Touch was the best. For the rest it never really caught on as it was like a right-click, with nothing self-evident and overlapping with the 'hold' interaction. I guess they just took it out because of the added cost to the panel, but I don't really miss it now.
Re:Ask HN: Am I getting older or did typing on the iPhone be... by moepstar on Wednesday October 19, 2022 @12:54AM (#33257857)
Yup, kinda mad as well :/ It adds so much to usability once you've gotten used to it (doesn't take long imho)...

One of the key reasons i still hold on to my 8 Plus... but i suppose iOS 16 will probably the last release they'll support on it so i better get used to the thought my next phone won't have it :(

Re:Ask HN: Am I getting older or did typing on the iPhone be... by modeless on Wednesday October 19, 2022 @12:09AM (#33257540)
Can I also vent about the lack of undo? I consider undo one of the most essential features of any computing device. How is it still simply not supported on the most widely used computing platform?
Re:Ask HN: Am I getting older or did typing on the iPhone be... by climb_stealth on Wednesday October 19, 2022 @12:23AM (#33257626)
There's nothing like the feeling after typing a whole paragraph and accidentally deleting it without any way to undo. :) Anything more than a sentence I type in a notes app because of that
Re:Ask HN: Am I getting older or did typing on the iPhone be... by arcanemachiner on Wednesday October 19, 2022 @12:56AM (#33257878)
On Android, undo is supported, but your keyboard has to support it. Sometimes I have to open Hacker Keyboard just I can press Ctrl+Z. There's probably a better way, but that works for the two times a year that I need it.
Re:Ask HN: Am I getting older or did typing on the iPhone be... by modeless on Wednesday October 19, 2022 @01:21AM (#33258063)
That's amazing, I need Hacker Keyboard apparently. All the features GBoard has and they never thought to add an undo button option?
Re:Ask HN: Am I getting older or did typing on the iPhone be... by asudosandwich on Wednesday October 19, 2022 @01:51AM (#33258252)
Try tapping with three fingers to bring up a set of editing operations including undo & redo.
Re:Ask HN: Am I getting older or did typing on the iPhone be... by modeless on Wednesday October 19, 2022 @02:59AM (#33258621)
Seems like this is an iOS thing? I'm talking about Android.
Re:Ask HN: Am I getting older or did typing on the iPhone be... by kergonath on Wednesday October 19, 2022 @02:28AM (#33258450)
You can shake your phone. You do look stupid, but it works.
Re:Ask HN: Am I getting older or did typing on the iPhone be... by modeless on Wednesday October 19, 2022 @02:58AM (#33258619)
Not on my phone. What phone does this work on? iOS? I'm talking about Android.
Re:Ask HN: Am I getting older or did typing on the iPhone be... by SanjayMehta on Wednesday October 19, 2022 @05:20AM (#33259547)
IOS
Re:Ask HN: Am I getting older or did typing on the iPhone be... by kergonath on Wednesday October 19, 2022 @07:44AM (#33260707)
Yes sorry, on iPhones.
Re:Ask HN: Am I getting older or did typing on the iPhone be... by frosted-flakes on Wednesday October 19, 2022 @03:50AM (#33258972)
You might not know that you can forward-delete letters with Shift+Backspace, instead of backspace. The Samsung and BlackBerry keyboards both support this.

Personally, I still use the BlackBerry keyboard on my Samsung phone because it has features that no other keyboard has. Namely:

- Word predictions are on the keys themselves, and you select them by "throwing" them onto the page (see [screenshot 1]). This means there can be 6+ predictions on screen at any time, and since they're literally on the key you're about to press anyway it is so quick to just select the prediction instead of typing it out fully. On other keyboards the predictions are above the keyboard and using them means taking your eyes away from what you're typing.

- Autocorrections are shown on the space key before you actually hit it, and if you don't want the autocorrection you can swipe up on the space key to select what you actually typed (see [screenshot 2]).

- You can backspace a word with a left swipe across the keyboard. This is HUGE. When backspacing is this easy, when you make a mistake it's almost always faster to delete the entire word and retype it again from the beginning than it is to move the cursor. You can also backspace multiple words at a time by swiping with multiple fingers (great for editing URLs).

- Swiping down across the keyboard cycles through the various symbol layers (you can create a custom layer), and selecting a symbol automatically moves back to the letter layer (you can sticky the symbol layer by opening it normally with the ?123 key).

- The ?123 also acts as a Control key, so you can use common keyboard shortcuts like cut, copy, paste, undo, and select all.

[screenshot 1] https://ibb.co/jVTPg7Q

[screenshot 2] https://ibb.co/p1PTM1S

On non-BlackBerry Android phones the BB keyboard was never officially available, but someone made a cracked version that still works great even though it hasn't been updated in years. But you have to dig around to find the APKs ever since the website got taken down.