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Re:ACT Test Scores Drop to Lowest Levels in More Than 30 Years by drooby on Sunday October 16, 2022 @03:22PM (#33226417)
> More graduating students taking the ACT are also doing so through statewide and districtwide testing programs. For the class of 2022, 60% of students who took the ACT did so at least once through those programs, compared with 27% in 2015.

> Fifteen out of the 23 states participating in the program require students to take the ACT in their classrooms during regular school hours, regardless of whether they plan to apply to college.

> The aim is to increase access to the college admissions exam to students who may not otherwise have the opportunity.

Makes sense to me… require more students to take an exam they otherwise wouldn’t have and you will get an average lower score. Students that choose to take the exam are more likely to be prepared for taking it, and thus will study more and achieve higher scores.

Regardless. Agreed that this is potentially a good thing for helping highlight which schools need more assistance.

Re:ACT Test Scores Drop to Lowest Levels in More Than 30 Years by scarmig on Sunday October 16, 2022 @03:29PM (#33226465)
There's an interesting opposite effect at the university level: undergraduate institutions have been dropping SAT requirements, and then their average score goes up, as students who did or would do relatively badly on it don't submit it.
Re:ACT Test Scores Drop to Lowest Levels in More Than 30 Years by spangry on Sunday October 16, 2022 @07:26PM (#33228143)
Makes sense. If no student discloses their SAT then the university would have to assume that any given student achieved the average SAT score. If you're a student who got an above average SAT it's therefore in your interests to disclose your score.

Although these incentives should theoretically cause everyone to voluntarily disclose their SAT scores.

Re:ACT Test Scores Drop to Lowest Levels in More Than 30 Years by Spivak on Sunday October 16, 2022 @04:36PM (#33226977)
I get that as a profession journalism exists to report happenings largely uncritically but I wish we could get the teeniest amount analysis because just a little thought would have made this a non-story or a very different headline, "students, don't assume your ACT scores being shown as above average means they'll be above average in the pool of applicants at university" with an explanation in the article that this has always technically been true but that the gap between the average as reported by the ACT and the average as seen by schools will be wider this year and here's why.
Re:ACT Test Scores Drop to Lowest Levels in More Than 30 Years by tqi on Sunday October 16, 2022 @05:50PM (#33227475)
> journalism exists to report happenings largely uncritically

Journalism exists to sell newspapers, and "just a little thought would have made this a non-story" is the reason the headline is the way it is.

Re:ACT Test Scores Drop to Lowest Levels in More Than 30 Years by ryanhuff on Sunday October 16, 2022 @06:59PM (#33227944)
Do you think most applicants actually consider the overall average, instead of the schools own published stats?
Re:ACT Test Scores Drop to Lowest Levels in More Than 30 Years by lazide on Sunday October 16, 2022 @05:56PM (#33227514)
Unfortunately this drive to testing has had very concrete negative effects on teaching real skills - even the best schools now ‘teach to the test’, and have been skipping learning of practical applications or fundamentals pretty heavily. At least from what I’ve been seeing in person.
Re:ACT Test Scores Drop to Lowest Levels in More Than 30 Years by Izkata on Sunday October 16, 2022 @06:04PM (#33227559)
Some of us were aware of this as students two decades ago. One of my friends had a weird way of looking at it: ignoring the assigned work and jumping ahead, he felt like he was cheating by having an easier time on tests.
Re:ACT Test Scores Drop to Lowest Levels in More Than 30 Years by charlieyu1 on Sunday October 16, 2022 @08:59PM (#33228734)
Standardised testing is the only metric that doesn’t benefit the rich much more than the poor
Re:ACT Test Scores Drop to Lowest Levels in More Than 30 Years by theGnuMe on Sunday October 16, 2022 @09:55PM (#33229079)
That's not true at all.
Re:ACT Test Scores Drop to Lowest Levels in More Than 30 Years by spoonjim on Sunday October 16, 2022 @10:01PM (#33229118)
What are others?
Re:ACT Test Scores Drop to Lowest Levels in More Than 30 Years by smugma on Sunday October 16, 2022 @10:26PM (#33229276)
To name a few: GPA, letters of recommendation, honors/APs taken compared to what’s offered, personal essays
Re:ACT Test Scores Drop to Lowest Levels in More Than 30 Years by srk_hn on Sunday October 16, 2022 @10:43PM (#33229368)
GPA, letters of rec, honors, and personal essays are all subject to the inherent privilege richer students and students in stable households have. Got to do something cool over the summer because your parents can afford to give you that luxury? Teacher writes you a letter of rec because they connect with you more. Have a stable household? GPA goes up and you take honors classes because your focus is uninterrupted.

I was the kid who every year when asked what they did for summer said "nothing". I was the kid who missed homework assignments because of yet another argument or separation between parents at home last night where I played peacemaker. On my personal essays I had to lie and make up experiences I had never had because we simply did not have the money for a vacation or takeout.

GPAs, letters of rec, honors only prove that a student has a safe and secure environment and they are able to excel over a long term. That is a reflection of privilege.

For those of us who grew up in poor and broken households, standardized testing is the only chance for us to get a better life. Everyone who speaks out against it does so from a position of privilege because they have 0 idea what it's like to grow up in that type of environment.

Re:ACT Test Scores Drop to Lowest Levels in More Than 30 Years by sbuttgereit on Sunday October 16, 2022 @11:46PM (#33229641)
GPAs, letters of rec, honors only prove that a student has a safe and secure environment and they are able to excel over a long term. That is a reflection of privilege.

For those of us who grew up in poor and broken households, standardized testing is the only chance for us to get a better life.

The suggestion that somehow there is a single path out of this sort of hell is overselling the point and over generalizing.

I grew up in a house where my parents were two warring alcoholics, one of which didn't want to have kids at all and the other didn't want the responsibility of raising them. And true enough, I didn't do well in the grades department... but I graduated, had some collected honors at graduation time, had the letters of recommendation I needed, and I absolutely participated in extra-curricular activities if anything to escape being home. Standardized tests? I took the ACT on a whim when my friend said he was going to go in the morning and asked if I wanted to join. I scored well (much better than I expected), not spectacular, just did well. Didn't really move the needle for me nearly so much as my ability to "work the room" with those that could help me get through school and onward as a sub-standard student. In the end I did fine.

My wife hits your points even closer. She was the child of poor immigrants whose mother was very severely schizophrenic. Between having no money and dealing with constant delusional and violent outbursts at home she managed to graduate high school as the school valedictorian (in a large metropolitan school), graduated with full honors, and received a full ride scholarship to her first choice school. She did the work because she knew if she didn't she wouldn't escape the hell of home she was in. Know what she didn't do well with? Her standardized tests. By the time she had reached high school she was prone to anxiety attacks and formal, timed tests were just too much. In fact later in life she wanted to take the GRE and go to graduate school and she couldn't get through the test without a full break down. Even so, she's done well in life despite it all.

But the point is that your expression of your experience is only that: your experience. For both my wife and myself, the standardized tests were simply not factors despite the hardships we faced. This is why anecdote isn't a good way to come to real knowledge... it might have been true for you but other's mileage will vary.

Re:ACT Test Scores Drop to Lowest Levels in More Than 30 Years by cafard on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @04:23PM (#33253351)
A good friend of mine grew up (as far as I know) in a loving and stable household, though her parents eventually divorced. She had rotten SATs, probably because she attended a terrible high school. There should have been three high schools, but that would have impaired recruiting for the football team, and this was Texas in the 1970s. Oh, and the football coach was also the physics teacher. If he wanted to get an early start on practice prep, there was no physics class that day, and in those days there was not likely to be an appeal beyond the football coach.
Re:ACT Test Scores Drop to Lowest Levels in More Than 30 Years by spoonjim on Sunday October 16, 2022 @11:41PM (#33229621)
Lol. I had a US Congressman write a personal reference for me because I went to the right schools with the right kids. It’s so much more hackable.

A high SAT score is like a ripped body: you can spend money on coaches, and they can help, but ultimately you need to lift the weight yourself.

Re:ACT Test Scores Drop to Lowest Levels in More Than 30 Years by theGnuMe on Monday October 17, 2022 @07:10AM (#33231976)
A privileged background gives you the opportunity to prepare.

I will get an sat tutor for my kids for sure and help them focus on it when the time comes. Opportunity requires a prepared mind.

Re:ACT Test Scores Drop to Lowest Levels in More Than 30 Years by Manuel_D on Monday October 17, 2022 @02:02AM (#33230209)
AP is another form of standardized testing. GPA is totally arbitrary, there are schools that graduate students with elementary school skills with 4.0s, same with letters of recommendation. Personal essays can be gamed by hiding editors.
Re:ACT Test Scores Drop to Lowest Levels in More Than 30 Years by rayiner on Monday October 17, 2022 @07:10AM (#33231974)
All of those are more hackable than tests. Studies show, for example, that essay scores are highly correlated with income. You think Lori Loughlin would’ve needed to risk jail time to get a stellar letter of recommendation from someone famous?
Re:ACT Test Scores Drop to Lowest Levels in More Than 30 Years by cafard on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @04:19PM (#33253297)
Because SAT prep classes are free? Because the city public health clinic will give you a diagnosis of ADHD for accommodations when you take the tests?
Re:ACT Test Scores Drop to Lowest Levels in More Than 30 Years by charlieyu1 on Thursday October 20, 2022 @05:41AM (#33272489)
You can definitely do well in SAT with just books. Definitely better than other metrics where the rich families can hire guys from outside to do it or arrange it for the rich kids.
Re:ACT Test Scores Drop to Lowest Levels in More Than 30 Years by lumost on Sunday October 16, 2022 @07:47PM (#33228261)
> Regardless. Agreed that this is potentially a good thing for helping highlight which schools need more assistance.

Is it? There are likely many opportunities best pursued through vocational training rather than preparation for college. Given finite learning time, keeping students out of vocational training to improve test scores on a college preparation test is probably not the ideal outcome.

We should stop stigmatizing vocational training, and skilled trade work. The ACT doesn't test for student outcomes. Improving test scores may be counter-productive.