Re:Bonfire – working to build safer, more open federated too...
by uoaei on Thursday October 13, 2022 @12:31PM
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Capitalism is not just "the existence of money and markets". You can still have money and markets without capitalism.
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Re:Bonfire – working to build safer, more open federated too...
by dmonitor on Thursday October 13, 2022 @12:37PM
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Capitalism is when businesses do things I don't like, and the more they do those things the more capitalist it is.
Re:Bonfire – working to build safer, more open federated too...
by Mikeb85 on Thursday October 13, 2022 @12:41PM
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> You can still have money and markets without capitalism
Money yes markets ish. A pillar of capitalism is the private ownership of capital, without private ownership many markets no longer exist (talking the economic definition of 'market').
Re:Bonfire – working to build safer, more open federated too...
by uoaei on Thursday October 13, 2022 @12:43PM
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"Some markets become obsolete when you remove capitalism" is not the same as "markets are only a thing under capitalism".
The real estate market would probably look much different and may even dissolve entirely if you forbid private ownership of real estate capital. I don't think this is a groundbreaking insight, I'm just clarifying for those who are careless about their use of words.
Re:Bonfire – working to build safer, more open federated too...
by Mikeb85 on Thursday October 13, 2022 @12:46PM
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Yes but there's also people who think capitalism = things they don't like and don't bother to think about what the alternative truly looks like.
Re:Bonfire – working to build safer, more open federated too...
by uoaei on Thursday October 13, 2022 @03:34PM
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Straw men are not coming for your privately-owned home any time soon, friend.
Re:Bonfire – working to build safer, more open federated too...
by tkk23 on Thursday October 13, 2022 @02:16PM
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Capitalism can also mean that politics shouldn't intervene when monopolies dominate markets. Then markets may also disappear in capitalism.
Re:Bonfire – working to build safer, more open federated too...
by uoaei on Friday October 14, 2022 @12:16PM
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That's not what capitalism means. That's corporatism, if anything, assuming (as a sensible default) that corporations are the ones holding monopolies.
Re:Bonfire – working to build safer, more open federated too...
by throw10920 on Thursday October 13, 2022 @01:20PM
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This is technically true in the abstract, but the people who use phrases like "post-capitalist" usually have a slightly different meaning in mind than what you described.