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Re:The Cheap 2.5GbE Poe Unmanaged Switch (2022) by josho on Friday October 07, 2022 @11:13PM (#33129487)
Why? Are these possibly unsafe because consumer safety tests are not verified? Is this more likely to fail early in its lifecycle?

I suppose I’m seeking to understand if the low prices are from cheaper manufacturing or if they’ve taken shortcuts. And as a consumer how are we supposed to become informed?

Re:The Cheap 2.5GbE Poe Unmanaged Switch (2022) by systemvoltage on Friday October 07, 2022 @11:40PM (#33129605)
It’s obvious: Networking equipment is responsible for transferring your personal data. Especially in home network where it might not be encrypted.

Hell, I don’t even trust most big brands. Run my own FreeBSD + pfsense + well known NICs from Intel sourced from Provantage or other data center distributor. Not eBay.

Re:The Cheap 2.5GbE Poe Unmanaged Switch (2022) by TheRealPomax on Saturday October 08, 2022 @12:14AM (#33129741)
That's... not obvious at all, no? Even if it's a rando-brand, you're going to have to dig deep to show these things actually phone home. Because so far that's been a lovely little tinfoil hat conspiracy theory that just doesn't hold up to reality.
Re:The Cheap 2.5GbE Poe Unmanaged Switch (2022) by louky on Saturday October 08, 2022 @01:07AM (#33129921)
Hilariously lawful intercept^1 is a baked-in Backdoor on many US branded devices like from Cisco. It taps ports and exfils data surreptitiously.

Not just legal but legally required.

1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawful_interception

Re:The Cheap 2.5GbE Poe Unmanaged Switch (2022) by Hikikomori on Saturday October 08, 2022 @04:08AM (#33130651)
Only on equipment an ISP would use.
Re:The Cheap 2.5GbE Poe Unmanaged Switch (2022) by systemvoltage on Saturday October 08, 2022 @01:14AM (#33129949)
I am responding to GP's skepticism of random Chinese networking equipment in your home and their skepticism is obvious; that's what I meant. Then I proceed to explaining my own reasons at home. Now whether you agree with GP or my statements is entirely orthogonal and up for debate. There were a number of responses asking "Why?" so I took a stab at the obvious.

Sure for most people, it is a pain to dig into these things. I can negligible sometimes too. And it can be just a woo woo conspiracy in my brain, possible.

Re:The Cheap 2.5GbE Poe Unmanaged Switch (2022) by fishywang on Saturday October 08, 2022 @12:25AM (#33129779)
what personal data is transferred in plaintext nowadays?

really the whole "trusted/privileged network" thing is outdated. your life will be much easier if you don't trust any network.

Re:The Cheap 2.5GbE Poe Unmanaged Switch (2022) by fomine3 on Saturday October 08, 2022 @12:54AM (#33129873)
SMB isn't encrypted by default
Re:The Cheap 2.5GbE Poe Unmanaged Switch (2022) by Godel_unicode on Saturday October 08, 2022 @02:38AM (#33130301)
Maybe for ancient versions on out-of-support Windows OSes or the odd appliance but SMB has been encrypted by default since at least 2016.
Re:The Cheap 2.5GbE Poe Unmanaged Switch (2022) by ZiiS on Saturday October 08, 2022 @02:51AM (#33130355)
In Windows 10 and 11 file sharing is strongly encrypted by default. I don't even know how to turn it off; only an option to degrade to 40bit DES for old devices.
Re:The Cheap 2.5GbE Poe Unmanaged Switch (2022) by dsr_ on Friday October 07, 2022 @11:32PM (#33129562)
The switching ports are probably fine.

I wouldn't trust the power-over-ethernet at any distance where I couldn't still read the UL approval sticker.

(Which it does not have.)

Re:The Cheap 2.5GbE Poe Unmanaged Switch (2022) by conk on Saturday October 08, 2022 @12:53AM (#33129866)
Most networking equipment doesn’t have a UL or other NRTL listing. I don’t think any Ubiquiti product includes a UL mark. Even their power bricks and devices that take line voltage lack a listing.

Even if a product does have a listing it’s prob just for the power supply and not for the PoE circuitry.

Re:The Cheap 2.5GbE Poe Unmanaged Switch (2022) by natch on Saturday October 08, 2022 @12:56AM (#33129885)
Copying IP and designs from others is an unethical practice. As such, the people conducting this practice are not going to be trustworthy for creating a reliable quality product.

Then, the customers who buy this stuff: Instead of paying a share of the R&D costs and the costs of quality, customers who cheap out on this kind of cargo cult product are instead saving a few bucks short term, only to pay the price later when the unit fails to perform long term.

Re:The Cheap 2.5GbE Poe Unmanaged Switch (2022) by szundi on Saturday October 08, 2022 @02:21AM (#33130236)
Reality I think is much more bad: big name players buying cheap stuff from a catalog rebranded while sacking or not replacing good engineers at home.