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Re:Gmail 2FA causes the homeless to permanently lose access ... by warent on Friday October 07, 2022 @10:19AM (#33121680)
Unfortunately it's more complicated than this. There have been nonprofit organizations and government initiatives to give homeless people space in unoccupied hotels for example.

What ends up happening is they generally just destroy the living space in a variety of ways.

It's because the majority of homelessness is an issue of mental health. In the USA, there are pretty much zero mental health resources for people in poverty.

Re:Gmail 2FA causes the homeless to permanently lose access ... by peatmoss on Friday October 07, 2022 @10:34AM (#33121915)
> What ends up happening is they generally just destroy the living space in a variety of ways.

Citation very much needed here. This certainly does happen. But, I don’t believe this the general (i.e. typical) outcome. From what I understand talking to acquaintances who work in this area, wrecking the place is not the typical outcome. And property damage is generally cheaper to address than the constant provision of emergency services.

I agree that mental health (and substance use) are major factors in homelessness, but those issues are more or less impossible to address when people are living on the street with no permanent address and no place to keep e.g. a cell phone without it being stolen.

Re:Gmail 2FA causes the homeless to permanently lose access ... by vorpalhex on Friday October 07, 2022 @12:23PM (#33123431)
At least a data point here - my city of Austin is buying a hotel to convert into housing for the homeless.

This has gone badly. The property sees intense vandalism and destruction, the neighbors are afraid for their safety, and the whole thing is an amazingly expensive boondoggle.

[0]: https://www.foxnews.com/us/austin-hotel-purchased-homeless-s...

[1]: https://www.statesman.com/story/news/2022/05/16/austin-homel...

Re:Gmail 2FA causes the homeless to permanently lose access ... by Vvector on Friday October 07, 2022 @12:45PM (#33123766)
That's a bad example. The unoccupied hotel was vandalized before the homeless were moved in. Yes, it a boondoggle, but nothing to do with homeless.
Re:Gmail 2FA causes the homeless to permanently lose access ... by vorpalhex on Friday October 07, 2022 @12:59PM (#33123980)
I don't think it was the local homeowners stealing live copper from the walls.
Re:Gmail 2FA causes the homeless to permanently lose access ... by threatofrain on Friday October 07, 2022 @03:34PM (#33125910)
Sounds like it could be a ring of criminals who are connected to those who can buy copper.
Re:Gmail 2FA causes the homeless to permanently lose access ... by HWR_14 on Friday October 07, 2022 @03:38PM (#33125949)
But it also wasn't homeless people being legally housed there. If your point is "people who live there take better care of the space", then that's what Austin is trying to do. Convert squatters stealing copper to the kind of people who live there.
Re:Gmail 2FA causes the homeless to permanently lose access ... by Ardon on Friday October 07, 2022 @04:02PM (#33126239)
We also don't know it was the homeless, that kind of thing is often actual gang activity
Re:Gmail 2FA causes the homeless to permanently lose access ... by heavyset_go on Friday October 07, 2022 @04:36PM (#33126592)
Where do you suspect that homeless are storing their caches of copper? Do you think they're carrying them around with them at all times?
Re:Gmail 2FA causes the homeless to permanently lose access ... by vorpalhex on Saturday October 08, 2022 @08:45PM (#33137387)
Oh they sell it as soon as they can (copper is easy to recycle and carries direct value) and then use the money for whatever.

The risk of course is that you are ripping potentially live circuits out of a building. It usually requires you to already be impaired and desperate to do it. It's that fun combo of illegal and dangerous.

Re:Gmail 2FA causes the homeless to permanently lose access ... by zuminator on Friday October 07, 2022 @01:04PM (#33124051)
Seems like a bad situation. But follow the timetable:

1) Austin buys the property

2) Begins renovations on vacant premises

3) Vandalism takes place

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4) The conversion is complete

5) Property officially offered to homeless residents

Steps 4 and 5 haven't happened yet. So homeless people who "generally just destroy the living space" isn't a good fit for what's going on. This is simply a situation of an unsecured construction site that has attracted squatters and vandals.

Re:Gmail 2FA causes the homeless to permanently lose access ... by Entinel on Friday October 07, 2022 @10:29AM (#33121843)
> It's because the majority of homelessness is an issue of mental health.

This isn't true or at least it doesn't start that way. What people don't understand is that there isn't a single homeless population. You have people who are temporarily homeless and people who are chronically homeless. The temporarily homeless are people who lost jobs, fell on hard times, etc etc. The simplest solution for them is yes to give them housing. The chronically homeless is where things get more complicated and those are the people who typically need mental health and abuse services. The simplest and most efficient thing we can do is help the temporarily homeless and prevent them from becoming chronically homeless.

Re:Gmail 2FA causes the homeless to permanently lose access ... by rolph on Friday October 07, 2022 @11:55AM (#33123039)
yes there are different castes of homeless, some do quite well, and are not problematic. others are of disorganized psyche, and cause much of thier own problems, resulting in no one wanting them around.
Re:Gmail 2FA causes the homeless to permanently lose access ... by vorpalhex on Friday October 07, 2022 @12:26PM (#33123465)
We're pretty good at getting the temporarily homeless into housing. Obviously any improvements are good, but fundamentally the issue is with the chronically homeless who often have other factors going on.
Re:Gmail 2FA causes the homeless to permanently lose access ... by michaelt on Friday October 07, 2022 @12:41PM (#33123712)
> We're pretty good at getting the temporarily homeless into housing.

I’ll take tautological statements for $200 please Alex

Re:Gmail 2FA causes the homeless to permanently lose access ... by vorpalhex on Friday October 07, 2022 @12:59PM (#33123973)
This is the industry term for people between housing (they can't make rent, they got kicked out, etc). It differentiates from the chronically homeless who can not be rehoused simply by giving them a place to live.
Re:Gmail 2FA causes the homeless to permanently lose access ... by acdha on Friday October 07, 2022 @10:27AM (#33121798)
What sometimes ends up happening. It’s true that we have huge gaps for mental health and substance abuse but there are examples (famously, Salt Lake City) of such programs working. The mixed history says we need to take the problem seriously, not give up.
Re:Gmail 2FA causes the homeless to permanently lose access ... by jakelazaroff on Friday October 07, 2022 @10:21AM (#33121723)
The problem is multifaceted. And homeless people are not a monolith. There are large cohorts for whom simply receiving a home would make life significantly easier.
Re:Gmail 2FA causes the homeless to permanently lose access ... by faitswulff on Friday October 07, 2022 @10:27AM (#33121808)
There's a positive feedback loop between mental health and housing, so it takes more than tilting either end of the equation to fix it.
Re:Gmail 2FA causes the homeless to permanently lose access ... by carapace on Friday October 07, 2022 @11:08AM (#33122391)
That's a good argument for giving them some other housing arrangement. It's not an argument for leaving them on the street.
Re:Gmail 2FA causes the homeless to permanently lose access ... by clint on Friday October 07, 2022 @11:23AM (#33122580)
What you describe is not "giving the homeless a home" its giving them a temporary, poor substitute for a home that they have no personal interest in"

Also your sweeping statement about the destruction of their living space smells to high heaven prejudiced thinking based on myth or hearsay rather than actual data.

Re:Gmail 2FA causes the homeless to permanently lose access ... by themitigating on Friday October 07, 2022 @12:12PM (#33123280)
Source on both mental health being the majority and that generally the homeless will destroy the space they are given?