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Re:Celsius Execs Cashed Out $40M in Crypto Before Halting Wi... by browningstreet on Thursday October 06, 2022 @04:04PM (#33113325)
How do you safely use crypto?
Re:Celsius Execs Cashed Out $40M in Crypto Before Halting Wi... by ethanbond on Thursday October 06, 2022 @04:19PM (#33113517)
It's quite easy: you download this Zero Knowledge Confabulator utility from github and load it up into your TAILS instance. Make sure you pull all this over Tor and use a North Korean VPN and please for the love of god verify the MD5 hashes. Once you've done this, you put your wallet key into the ConfabUtil which will produce a zk-snark. Memorize this because you will next need to go into an airgapped, seismically isolated room and write it down onto a one time pad. Now you start digging, and once you cannot dig any longer you can safely place this one time pad into the bottom of the hole, climb back out, and rest easy knowing Your Crypto Is Safe.

I sure am glad that I can be my own bank!

Re:Celsius Execs Cashed Out $40M in Crypto Before Halting Wi... by deebosong on Thursday October 06, 2022 @08:04PM (#33115805)
This is pretty much what it sounds like to a laymen like me. It's aggravatingly complex, with like, 18 points of user error failure points. And even if I quadruple checked, I'd wanna check 17 more times after that, and I'd still feel I messed up some crucial step at some point.
Re:Celsius Execs Cashed Out $40M in Crypto Before Halting Wi... by nawgz on Thursday October 06, 2022 @08:20PM (#33115901)
I love the juxtaposition of this comment with its sibling. Comedy gold.
Re:Celsius Execs Cashed Out $40M in Crypto Before Halting Wi... by redox99 on Thursday October 06, 2022 @04:53PM (#33113962)
With a hardware wallet where you store your seed phrase. You would never type this seed anywhere. You would store backups of this seed in something like a metal sheet that you can buy. You would be extremely careful of the numerous phishing attempts that you will encounter. Also with malicious smart contracts. And you would have a hot and cold wallet, to minimize risk.
Re:Celsius Execs Cashed Out $40M in Crypto Before Halting Wi... by maccard on Thursday October 06, 2022 @07:07PM (#33115309)
Remember that this is an alternative to a small card that is widely accepted internationally that I can reclaim a transaction with a quick phone call.
Re:Celsius Execs Cashed Out $40M in Crypto Before Halting Wi... by lmm on Thursday October 06, 2022 @08:46PM (#33116054)
Until the operators decide for their own mysterious reasons to make your small card stop working, or that you suddenly owe them a bunch of money you never had, or both at the same time.
Re:Celsius Execs Cashed Out $40M in Crypto Before Halting Wi... by tekknik on Friday October 07, 2022 @12:15AM (#33117357)
How is any of this possible in the real world? If my bank says I owe them money, it’s on them to prove it. If they can’t I can easily take them to court.
Re:Celsius Execs Cashed Out $40M in Crypto Before Halting Wi... by lmm on Friday October 07, 2022 @12:17AM (#33117371)
"Easily" is far from my experience. I eventually got everything back but it took literally years.
Re:Celsius Execs Cashed Out $40M in Crypto Before Halting Wi... by tekknik on Friday October 07, 2022 @10:11AM (#33121596)
I’d love to hear more.
Re:Celsius Execs Cashed Out $40M in Crypto Before Halting Wi... by lmm on Friday October 07, 2022 @08:37PM (#33128708)
I don't know much more, which is the frustrating part of the experience. When we got an actual court date they were suddenly happy to give me all my money back, and I was too tired to push further. But until then it was block, stall, ask for more copies of the same identity verification documents or claim that they somehow didn't meet the requirements (e.g. claiming that my bank statements weren't acceptable identify verification because they didn't show the account being in active use, despite it being my main daily account), insist simultaneously that they couldn't tell me anything but it would all be resolved soon.
Re:Celsius Execs Cashed Out $40M in Crypto Before Halting Wi... by femiagbabiaka on Thursday October 06, 2022 @08:44PM (#33116031)
I’m not a crypto fanatic but credit and debit cards are very susceptible to fraud
Re:Celsius Execs Cashed Out $40M in Crypto Before Halting Wi... by tekknik on Friday October 07, 2022 @12:15AM (#33117359)
But in those cases the user gets their money back. This isn’t the case with crypto.
Re:Celsius Execs Cashed Out $40M in Crypto Before Halting Wi... by femiagbabiaka on Friday October 07, 2022 @01:06AM (#33117649)
People with time get their money back. People without it get nothing back. And that’s not even mentioning the legal scams like overdraft charges… I’m just saying, the existing system sucks too.
Re:Celsius Execs Cashed Out $40M in Crypto Before Halting Wi... by maccard on Friday October 07, 2022 @03:42AM (#33118450)
It's not that much time, and frankly you need the time with any method. The last time it happened to me, my card provider noticed the transactions, blocked the card and phoned me to ask if I made them.

The time before, I phoned my bank and told them I had a charge I didn't recognize, they asked me to fill in a form and refunded me within 48 hours.

Re:Celsius Execs Cashed Out $40M in Crypto Before Halting Wi... by maccard on Friday October 07, 2022 @03:40AM (#33118435)
Absolutely, as much as any other payment method. Meanwhile there are consumer protections available for them. One phonecall and a form will pretty much instantly reverse a debit card, credit card, or direct debit transaction with any bank in Europe. On more than one occasion this has happened to me and it's taken less than 15 minutes to resolve.
Re:Celsius Execs Cashed Out $40M in Crypto Before Halting Wi... by femiagbabiaka on Friday October 07, 2022 @03:37PM (#33125935)