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Re:You can't buy a Raspberry Pi right now by giobox on Monday October 03, 2022 @04:54PM (#33073560)
One thing which hasn't been great in all this is the communication from the Pi Foundation itself. I've been struggling to buy them for months, the only real public communication on the matter from them has been that blog post in April and this post by Jeff. This is not a great way to communicate with the user base on a tough issue etc.

The official blog is just marketing fluff for the most part, almost never mentioning the fact you haven't been able to easily obtain one for over six months.

If what Eben told Jeff is the case, why not tell everyone on the blog, or some other public channel? "Ringing up Eben" is not an option for most of us.

I also think with prioritizing commercial customers, we should drop the ruse that this thing is an educational board. I honestly don't think education has been a majority of users for a long time, but perhaps i'm grossly mistaken here.

> https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/

Re:You can't buy a Raspberry Pi right now by esskay on Monday October 03, 2022 @05:32PM (#33073986)
I think what makes it worse is the "No, piss off" attitude of their forum team when anyone asks for an update, followed by locking the thread.
Re:You can't buy a Raspberry Pi right now by sounds on Monday October 03, 2022 @05:45PM (#33074139)
In all fairness, a forum thread would collect a bunch of anecdata but is not an official way to request a sale.

If the Raspberri Pi foundation doesn't want to sell you their product, there's no way you can force them to sell you one. That there are no blog posts probably just means that some exec from Broadcom told Eben not to post anything.

Re:You can't buy a Raspberry Pi right now by shuuv4678igt on Monday October 03, 2022 @10:22PM (#33076111)
what do you all expect from a company that markets as the most open platform that is full of closed firmware and NDAs?
Re:You can't buy a Raspberry Pi right now by stjohnswarts on Monday October 03, 2022 @10:35PM (#33076170)
Everything is a tradeoff. They get parts for cheap from certain manufacturers. Those have proprietary firmware that you and I can't have the source code to. Everything else is open source. For me, that's fine. It lets me buy them for much cheaper. You could probably design your own board and find completely open source hardware and software yourself, but I doubt if there's much profit in it. If you have a better path and can keep the board as cheap as it is then you should probably get in touch with their engineers.
Re:You can't buy a Raspberry Pi right now by KennyBlanken on Monday October 03, 2022 @07:30PM (#33075027)
What infuriates me is Ebon selling himself as some sort of hero, claiming that they're prioritizing things so that "people don't lose their jobs." How brave and noble of him, right?

If he stopped supplying OEMs, nobody would lose their jobs. The opposite, in fact. More engineering staff and contractors and consultants would get work because these companies would have to re-develop their products to use an in-house SBC or any of the hundreds of industrial SBCs out there.

Everyone else can't do that. Your average hobbyist can't just call up an industrial SBC company and buy. That was the whole point behind the Pi (well, the whole point was using up shitty SoCs that Broadcom hadn't been able to sell, but that's beside the point.)

What's really going on is that Ebon is prioritizing large OEMs who use Pis because they don't want to be bothered spending R&D to develop their own embedded system.

Meanwhile he's fucking over every small guy. All the retailers who have lost all that revenue and associated accessory sales? Fucked. What about their livelihoods? What about the logistics people they employed? They apparently can all get fucked.

All the non-profits (like libraries, hackerspaces, schools, etc) who may have secured budget and grant money for Pi-based programs that now cannot be spent? Fucked. rarely can money secured for purpose A be diverted to purpose B, and more often than not, you simply lose the funding entirely and you lose that amount of money from next year's budget, too.

How about the thousands of cottage industry small entrepreneurs making a living off Pi-based products they've developed? Fucked.

How about all the researchers, using Pis for data collection and controlling experiments? Fucked.

How about all the people who had home or business automation who need to replace a damaged or fried Pi? Fucked.

But thank god we're saving jobs at those large corporations who went with Pis because it was a cost-saving measure.

The Pi Foundation isn't even particularly competent. Every single Pi model has had problems, and the Pi 4 had basic, obvious-within-minutes-to-anyone-who-tried-to-use-it problems with power because the Pi foundation fucked up their USB-PD implementation.

Ebon says they're making 6M Pi's a year but it's months between any US supplier getting Pis, which means he's doing way more than "prioritizing OEMs."

Re:You can't buy a Raspberry Pi right now by easygenes on Monday October 03, 2022 @10:39PM (#33076194)
To be fair, the RasPi folks are saying that if you email their sales department directly they do have some stock allocated to ship out to good causes. They are simply beholden to their OEM contracts for most of what is getting produced currently.

I doubt anyone foresaw that RasPi would be forced to ship less than 400k units across all their models monthly. The chip shortage is catching everyone by surprise, and we’re probably lucky RasPi is considered important enough to get a regular allocation of their BoM at all, given the low margins they’re operating on.

As I understand it, there are quite a few OEMs who have staff allocated to improving the Pi ecosystem as well, so it’s not like the educational and hobbyist markets gain nothing from their OEM engagements. RasPi has become the de-facto standard for the, “I need a cheap card that can run Linux in under 10 watts,” market in large part because of its robust support.

Re:You can't buy a Raspberry Pi right now by PcChip on Monday October 03, 2022 @10:03PM (#33076021)
Sounds like he wants to keep the OEMs in business because they will keep him in business
Re:You can't buy a Raspberry Pi right now by nine_k on Monday October 03, 2022 @10:21PM (#33076104)
I wonder how readily RPi-compatible boards can be had from Aliexpress. (They are a good source of Arduino-compatible boards.)
Re:You can't buy a Raspberry Pi right now by detaro on Monday October 03, 2022 @10:41PM (#33076206)
not at all, since only RPi Foundation gets the SoCs.
Re:You can't buy a Raspberry Pi right now by Dalewyn on Monday October 03, 2022 @06:56PM (#33074786)
>we should drop the ruse that this thing is an educational board.

rPi stopped feeling like educational material when they moved on from whatever low price they were at the beginning.

You are not going to convince me that a computer selling for $150~300 each or whatever it is nowadays is "for education". An educational computer is something like an Arduino board, which apparently sells for $25~50 currently from some quick checking.

If I'm dropping two or three Franklins on a computer, I'd rather just get an older Intel NUC or something so I can take advantage of the much larger and capable Windows and Linux ecosystems.

Re:You can't buy a Raspberry Pi right now by bri3d on Monday October 03, 2022 @07:09PM (#33074878)
The base price of the Pi has remained at $35, they just aren't possible to get. Regardless, the Pi Foundation / Pi Trading Company / whatever weird part of the Pi Empire actually sells them haven't raised the base price version-over-version.
Re:You can't buy a Raspberry Pi right now by voldacar on Monday October 03, 2022 @07:59PM (#33075223)
If they aren't possible to get for that price, then that isn't actually the price.
Re:You can't buy a Raspberry Pi right now by masukomi on Monday October 03, 2022 @08:07PM (#33075271)
sure, but it's like tickets at a concert. They sell most of them for $30. There's nothing they can do to prevent scalpers from buying them and jacking up the price 10x, but that doesn't make it the performer's fault you can only buy them for $300.

yes, it sucks, but the performers (and the Pi makers) did the best they could to offer them to folks at a cheap price.

Re:You can't buy a Raspberry Pi right now by voldacar on Monday October 03, 2022 @08:31PM (#33075404)
>There's nothing they can do to prevent scalpers from buying them and jacking up the price 10x

There is, actually. They can raise their price until supply equals demand

Re:You can't buy a Raspberry Pi right now by stjohnswarts on Monday October 03, 2022 @10:40PM (#33076198)
Then that is just giving in to capitalist excess. The only way I could see stopping it would be to stop OEM purchases and sell to individuals who sign up with real credentials (like a phone number or credit card that can be verified) and limiting the number of sales to those individuals and even that is only going to sort of work.
Re:You can't buy a Raspberry Pi right now by cinntaile on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @03:43AM (#33077546)
They can always let the middleman have the difference between the actual price and the MSRP, but then they might as well take it themselves if there is no difference for the end consumer anyway.
Re:You can't buy a Raspberry Pi right now by boppo1 on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @04:39AM (#33077822)
Equilibrium price is capitalist excess? Help me out here: if they can't meet market demand at 35/unit, doesn't raising the price mean they can make more units? Then, they are easier to find and so there is less unmet demand to support scalper prices at $150-300, ultimately making it cheaper for end users who don't 'get in' the first batch of orders?
Re:You can't buy a Raspberry Pi right now by stjohnswarts on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @10:20PM (#33090280)
Not everything is all about the laissez-faire market, if the seller wants to control who buys something. Luxury item companies and artisans do it all the time.
Re:You can't buy a Raspberry Pi right now by boppo1 on Wednesday October 05, 2022 @01:56PM (#33098939)
Can you elaborate? I'm not completely following. Are you saying RPi wants to sell cheaply to specific customers and prevent everyone else from getting their hands on the product, even at the cost of increased revenue and (probably) margins?
Re:You can't buy a Raspberry Pi right now by voldacar on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @05:48AM (#33078199)
The goods will get sold at market price either way. The only question is whether that will happen formally, with the manufacturer profiting, or informally, with the profits going to flippers. In order to satisfy more buyers, they will have to increase their production quantity. The study of this & related phenomena is known as economics.
Re:You can't buy a Raspberry Pi right now by stjohnswarts on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @10:16PM (#33090249)
I think you're wrong. If the manufacturer requires ID to purchase then they absolutely can stop scalpers as it would be too expensive for the scalper to hire people to buy their limited number (say 3) of items per month/per year. Capitalism can be beaten into submission if you're willing to take the proper actions, if they're interested in the Pi's going to hobbyists and schools rather than to scalpers who buy hundreds of them and then resale them at 10x the price on eBay or other auction sites. I know libertarians don't like to hear that not everything is about money, but sometimes it is if the source truly wants to see the pi units get to the right people.
Re:You can't buy a Raspberry Pi right now by shaky-carrousel on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @05:13AM (#33078037)
No. If they don't raise prices what is going to happen is that the difference between the sale price and the real price will end in the scalpers pockets, who will have an incentive to keep scalping.

Instead, if they raise prices the difference will end on the foundation pockets, and they could use that money to ramp up production.

What they are doing right now reeks of either corruption or stupidity.

Re:You can't buy a Raspberry Pi right now by bri3d on Monday October 03, 2022 @08:31PM (#33075403)
Eh - I suppose with the music analogy it's more like the Pi folks chose to play arenas instead of festivals, and keep putting corporate box seat customers on the guest list ahead of GA attendees. I think there's some blame here, I just also think it's flat-out incorrect to claim that Pi prices have increased.
Re:You can't buy a Raspberry Pi right now by stjohnswarts on Monday October 03, 2022 @10:39PM (#33076191)
It's what they sell them for. The scalpers will do what scalpers do when demand outstrips supply. It's a hard problem to solve in this day of automated everything. If you have a solution for them to keep scalpers from gouging then I think you should get in touch with the RPi foundation and help them solve the problem.