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Re:Microsoft bakes a VPN into Edge and turns it on by Double_a_92 on Friday September 30, 2022 @01:01PM (#33037418)
They help in public WiFi.
Re:Microsoft bakes a VPN into Edge and turns it on by jacobsenscott on Friday September 30, 2022 @01:34PM (#33037953)
Public wifi, assuming you don't send any personal info to "sign in" to the public wifi is more anonymous than a vpn that has your name/address/etc.
Re:Microsoft bakes a VPN into Edge and turns it on by zekica on Friday September 30, 2022 @01:07PM (#33037521)
Modern TLS is enough to prevent others from eavesdropping everything except domain names when on public WiFi. Domain names are sent in clear text if your client supports SNI.
Re:Microsoft bakes a VPN into Edge and turns it on by doubled112 on Friday September 30, 2022 @01:09PM (#33037549)
A trail of DNS names is more than enough to know what somebody is up to.
Re:Microsoft bakes a VPN into Edge and turns it on by uup on Friday September 30, 2022 @01:11PM (#33037572)
You could use DoH, which you should do anyway. No reason to leak DNS lookups to anyone.
Re:Microsoft bakes a VPN into Edge and turns it on by madars on Friday September 30, 2022 @01:32PM (#33037927)
DoH alone is not enough due to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Server_Name_Indication being sent in plain text. Some day ECH (formerly, eSNI) should help with that.
Re:Microsoft bakes a VPN into Edge and turns it on by erinnh on Friday September 30, 2022 @04:28PM (#33040349)
I thought TLSv1.3 already encrypted the SNI?
Re:Microsoft bakes a VPN into Edge and turns it on by detaro on Saturday October 01, 2022 @09:17AM (#33046375)
No. ESNI is an later-created extension to TLS 1.3
Re:Microsoft bakes a VPN into Edge and turns it on by uup on Saturday October 01, 2022 @06:58AM (#33045618)
It does
Re:Microsoft bakes a VPN into Edge and turns it on by Varloom on Sunday October 02, 2022 @04:09PM (#33059695)
ESNI is not implemented yet on any website. And there is no software support except beta versions of Chrome/Edge and you have to manually toggle flags in dev mode.

All SNIs are passed as plain text to your ISP/VPN, even with DoH/TLS secure DNS enabled.

Re:Microsoft bakes a VPN into Edge and turns it on by ranger_danger on Friday September 30, 2022 @01:39PM (#33038024)
you'll always be leaking it to whoever you are sending your query to.
Re:Microsoft bakes a VPN into Edge and turns it on by babypuncher on Friday September 30, 2022 @01:06PM (#33037508)
So I can pay $10/mo for a VPN for use when I'm on public wifi, or I can run WireGuard on my Raspberry Pi at home and get one for free
Re:Microsoft bakes a VPN into Edge and turns it on by elashri on Friday September 30, 2022 @01:10PM (#33037551)
It might be cheaper but still not free. Cost of electricity + time to maintain + Raspberry Pi itself. Not to mention that you don't get the variety of servers (for geo-location or more diverse networks not tracked to you by websites themselves).
Re:Microsoft bakes a VPN into Edge and turns it on by babypuncher on Friday September 30, 2022 @01:17PM (#33037677)
Well the Raspberry Pi is already on 24/7 running a few other services for my home network. But even then, the energy consumption per month costs pennies. I update the device once a quarter and it takes me 5 minutes. These costs are so negligible as to have no impact on my decision making process.
Re:Microsoft bakes a VPN into Edge and turns it on by wbsss4412 on Friday September 30, 2022 @02:56PM (#33039113)
Not sure what services you’ve looked at, but it definitely doesn’t cost $10/month.

Your personal solution seems pretty good though.

Re:Microsoft bakes a VPN into Edge and turns it on by wintermutestwin on Friday September 30, 2022 @01:25PM (#33037794)
Unless you are a network security expert, aren't you greatly increasing your risk by running that WireGuard server?
Re:Microsoft bakes a VPN into Edge and turns it on by fjfbsufhdvfy on Friday September 30, 2022 @01:48PM (#33038168)
Why would you? Nobody can connect to it without your private key. Or is there something I am not aware of? Genuine question, as I am running wireguard in a few places and thought it was secure by default.
Re:Microsoft bakes a VPN into Edge and turns it on by bilkow on Friday September 30, 2022 @01:36PM (#33037996)
WireGuard is pretty minimalist and has great defaults, AFAIK if you manage to set it up you're good.

Unless your credentials leak, of course, but a security expert would have that same risk.

Re:Microsoft bakes a VPN into Edge and turns it on by babypuncher on Monday October 03, 2022 @01:17PM (#33070602)
You do not need to be a "network security expert" to safely run a WireGuard server