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Re:Many indoor air quality sensor products are a scam by RivieraKid on Thursday September 29, 2022 @04:14PM (#33026488)
I'm just looking for an indoor air quality monitor for temperature, humidity, co2 and ideally pm2.5 and pressure. Can't believe such trivial product is so hard to find.

There is the AirGradient DIY but I don't like the design, I'm worried about temperature accuracy and response time and I wish it was pluggable into a wall plug.

In addition I want to buy an outdoor water-proof temperature and humidity sensor running on a battery and communicating over WiFi or BT. Also can't find anything.

Re:Many indoor air quality sensor products are a scam by shadowpho on Thursday September 29, 2022 @06:22PM (#33028108)
>I'm just looking for an indoor air quality monitor for temperature, humidity, co2 and ideally pm2.5 and pressure.

That's because it's $$$$. CO2 is hard to measure (it's inert!), and only recently advances in NDIR allow us to measure it directly. Those are still $50, and that's just component cost.

PM2.5 is also around $50 for decent parts.

Another $10 for T/H/P. Another $20 for cheapest LCD you can find.

Ok, so we are up to $130, but now you gotta pay for manufacturing ($$$), PCB, hardware development, calibration, testing, mechanical design... Probably $200-$300 total depending on quantity.

So, let's say you can make the whole device for $250 just in costs. Now you gotta add software (BT\Wifi code is not fun!), shipping, overhead, profits. So, you gotta sell this thing for $350+.

Would you buy one for $350?

Re:Many indoor air quality sensor products are a scam by rainbowzootsuit on Thursday September 29, 2022 @10:10PM (#33030045)
I cannot personally attest to the build of this particular product, but we have used a number of omega sensors in the past and they are not a fly-by-night outfit. The cost aligns with your estimates.

https://www.omega.com/en-us/test-inspection/air-soil-liquid-...

Re:Many indoor air quality sensor products are a scam by deamanto on Thursday September 29, 2022 @08:00PM (#33029026)
I would if it was built well. There may be a bunch of companies offering something similar but without being in the industry I have to come to places like this to get real world anecdotes on whether it's reliable or not. That inherit distrust makes it hard to buy something like this - to differentiate between marketing and quality.
Re:Many indoor air quality sensor products are a scam by mrguyorama on Friday September 30, 2022 @03:20PM (#33039470)
I simply went on ebay and bought the probably fake sensors myself. At least then I get a toy with my inaccurate numbers
Re:Many indoor air quality sensor products are a scam by ahaucnx on Thursday September 29, 2022 @04:46PM (#33026944)
Thank you for mentioning us. Since a few months we have an improved AirGradient PRO kit [1] that has a much better design, temperature accuracy and enclosure. It is fully open-source, open-hardware including 3D enclosure files.

[1] https://www.airgradient.com/open-airgradient/instructions/

Re:Many indoor air quality sensor products are a scam by robga on Thursday September 29, 2022 @04:46PM (#33026933)
I run 4 AirGradients with ESPhome hooked up to Home Assistant and couldn't be happier.

In case you're not aware, the kit was upgraded this year to move the temperature sensor a little further away from heat sources, they now bundle enclosures with the kit (if requested), and also sell [0] pre-soldered kits.

[0] https://www.airgradient.com/open-airgradient/shop/

Re:Many indoor air quality sensor products are a scam by Syonyk on Thursday September 29, 2022 @05:38PM (#33027587)
> I'm just looking for an indoor air quality monitor for temperature, humidity, co2 and ideally pm2.5 and pressure.

If you don't want it to be "connected," try a TemTop P1000. I've torn one apart, and I have it in my office right now - it seems to do what it says on the tin sanely. Temperature, humidity, PM2.5, PM10, and CO2 levels. I have another TemTop unit and they generally agree within some reasonable margin of error, and they do seem to independently measure things like VOC vs CO2 - I can see one rise without the other, depending on what I'm doing.

It doesn't have pressure, though.

https://www.sevarg.net/2021/08/28/temtop-air-quality-sensors...

Re:Many indoor air quality sensor products are a scam by toss1 on Thursday September 29, 2022 @04:33PM (#33026756)
>>such trivial product is so hard to find.

Indeed! Although it seems the point of the article is that while these are very basic measurements, building the technology to reliably provide correct readings, especially from the same board/housing as a WiFi board, is not trivial. Sure, it's not as difficult as more complex or obscure devices, but it is a lot more than cut & paste some sensors onto a board with some WiFi & slap it in a box... which seems to be the usual level of effort

Does anyone know where we could get such devices that 1) are actually designed to be reliable, and 2) don't need to exfiltrate information to the seller's servers in order for us to access it?

Re:Many indoor air quality sensor products are a scam by RL_Quine on Thursday September 29, 2022 @04:30PM (#33026708)
https://www.airthings.com/en-ca/wave-plus

These have worked well for us, they don't do pm2.5 but we have other sensors for that.

Re:Many indoor air quality sensor products are a scam by RivieraKid on Thursday September 29, 2022 @07:18PM (#33028672)
View Plus looks like what I was looking for.
Re:Many indoor air quality sensor products are a scam by bsilvereagle on Friday September 30, 2022 @11:00AM (#33035814)
This one has everything listed but pressure and it’s possible to replace the sensors if you think they’ve gone bad, or migrate them to a new project. Since it’s obvious what the sensors are, it’s also possible to read the actual data sheet for each one and decide if they individually meet your needs.

https://frdmtoplay.com/patching-in-fahrenheit/

Re:Many indoor air quality sensor products are a scam by TylerE on Thursday September 29, 2022 @04:36PM (#33026801)
For the outdoor version, the magic search phrase is “personal weather station”.
Re:Many indoor air quality sensor products are a scam by post_break on Thursday September 29, 2022 @09:54PM (#33029928)
How about the Qingping Air Quality Monitor on amazon. I have one and it does all of that.