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Re:Can brown noise turn off your brain? by rob74 on Thursday September 29, 2022 @08:21AM (#33019552)
For more elaborate noise generators (I think it also has a brown noise generator hidden somewhere) you can always go to https://mynoise.net/ - I used to use that site a lot when I was still working from the office, and since my company now also has a "return to office" policy, I guess I will be using it more again in the future...
Re:Can brown noise turn off your brain? by mod on Thursday September 29, 2022 @08:44AM (#33019781)
I keep this in my .bashrc

alias brownnoise='play -n synth brownnoise synth pinknoise mix synth sine amod 0.3 10'

It sounds like waves gently coming ashore.

I'm sure I collected it somewhere here on HN, because I don't know anything about how the command works.

Edit: I have these, too, and I like them all:

alias whitenoise='play -q -c 2 -n synth brownnoise band -n 1600 1500 tremolo .1 30'

alias pinknoise='play -t sl -r48000 -c2 -n synth -1 pinknoise .1 80'

Re:Can brown noise turn off your brain? by philshem on Thursday September 29, 2022 @12:11PM (#33022695)
MacOS users can get get "play" by installing SoX (Sound eXchange)

    brew install sox
Re:Can brown noise turn off your brain? by mod on Thursday September 29, 2022 @12:33PM (#33023071)
Thanks, I should have realized searching for "play" in a package manager was going to be a poor user experience.

I think it must be installed by default in my distro.

Re:Can brown noise turn off your brain? by ineedasername on Thursday September 29, 2022 @08:51AM (#33019861)
Not in front of my Linux box right now, are these tools built in or part of stand repository?
Re:Can brown noise turn off your brain? by nannal on Thursday September 29, 2022 @09:05AM (#33020040)
It's part of SoX which may be in your repo depending on which distro you use.
Re:Can brown noise turn off your brain? by mod on Thursday September 29, 2022 @09:03AM (#33020022)
These are just using the 'play' command, the aliases are just so I don't have to remember the arguments.

Play is a standard package from your package manager

Re:Can brown noise turn off your brain? by tzot on Thursday September 29, 2022 @04:08PM (#33026418)
They'd probably be better searching for sox, not play.
Re:Can brown noise turn off your brain? by mod on Thursday September 29, 2022 @07:14PM (#33028642)
Yeah, I think we cleared that up about four hours before your comment.

Thanks!

Re:Can brown noise turn off your brain? by disabled on Thursday September 29, 2022 @03:57PM (#33026229)
Personally, I just use brew to install SoX on Ubuntu.

brew is a really nice package installer that works with both MacOS and Linux.

Re:Can brown noise turn off your brain? by kzrdude on Thursday September 29, 2022 @04:18PM (#33026542)
sox is in the default repository (for example jammy/universe). And it will be suggested as an install if you try to run play when it's not installed.

So brew, any "killer apps" on brew for linux? What's nice to get from there?

Re:Can brown noise turn off your brain? by LoganDark on Friday September 30, 2022 @10:01AM (#33034942)
Linuxbrew is pretty convenient for installing dependencies, especially on "stable" distributions like Debian/Ubuntu. You can install specific versions of dependencies that you want, even keep them side-by-side.

It's also distro-agnostic, so it works almost everywhere.

Re:Can brown noise turn off your brain? by kzrdude on Sunday October 02, 2022 @04:41AM (#33054137)
Looks interesting. It both says that installing without sudo is a feature, which sounds neat, and that installing into ~/.linuxbrew is an unsupported feature.

  # On Linux, it installs to /home/linuxbrew/.linuxbrew if you have sudo access
  # and ~/.linuxbrew (which is unsupported) if run interactively.
  HOMEBREW_PREFIX_DEFAULT="/home/linuxbrew/.linuxbrew"
  HOMEBREW_CACHE="${HOME}/.cache/Homebrew"
Re:Can brown noise turn off your brain? by duncancarroll on Thursday September 29, 2022 @02:15PM (#33024920)
Wow these are great, thank you
Re:Can brown noise turn off your brain? by selfhoster11 on Thursday September 29, 2022 @08:33AM (#33019666)
Another vote for mynoise.net.

That site gives off strong "small web" vibes (good thing), and is clearly a product of passion (or at least, a product of competence in the field of sound/signal processing). My donation to get access to the full range of generators was worth every penny.

Re:Can brown noise turn off your brain? by f1shy on Thursday September 29, 2022 @08:50AM (#33019848)
I discovered mynoise.net some years ago. As I lived near a church where the bells would be active every 15 minutes... It really helped to not listen to them.

The downside: the alarm clock was also less audible in the morning! :D

Re:Can brown noise turn off your brain? by dekhn on Thursday September 29, 2022 @10:45AM (#33021430)
I really like https://mynoise.net/NoiseMachines/pureBinauralBrainwaveGener... which I can listen to for hours to mask external sound.
Re:Can brown noise turn off your brain? by mikepurvis on Thursday September 29, 2022 @10:30AM (#33021181)
I'm surprised there's any churches left still doing that frequency. Is it a touristy thing or something? Definitely would have thought most at this point are down to hourly or even just once at noon, with an awful lot more silent but for special occasions like weddings.
Re:Can brown noise turn off your brain? by cafard on Thursday September 29, 2022 @10:51AM (#33021527)
It seems to be pretty common in Washington, DC. Offhand, I can think of St. John's Episcopal at 16th & H Sts. NW, St. Matthew's [Catholic] Cathedral on the 1700 block of Rhode Island Avenue NW. I think that the First Presbyterian Church at 16th & Kennedy NW does. All this is from just my regular commuting or running routes, so I suspect one can find quite a few more examples.
Re:Can brown noise turn off your brain? by f1shy on Thursday September 29, 2022 @11:59AM (#33022509)
No. Pretty normal in Germany...
Re:Can brown noise turn off your brain? by varispeed on Thursday September 29, 2022 @10:29AM (#33021179)
I have this problem that when I know that the such ambient noise is synthesised in any way, then my brain simply rejects it as if I knew it is a placebo so it no longer works.

Similarly if I listed authentic recorded ambient noise, once I recognise a loop point, it becomes extremely annoying.

That's why I can't use tools like mynoise.net.

I had a couple of solid 8 hour recordings from a cafe or office, but after a couple of listens I kind of learned it is a recording and they no longer work. Basically rather than focusing on doing work etc. my brain is listening for faint phrases, whether I heard it before etc.

The workaround I found is that I just have a window open so I can hear street noises, but this is going to be troublesome during the winter.

I am planning to start making recordings so maybe if I have a solid month worth of ambient noise, I will be able to trick myself it is not a repeat if it takes a month for a full rotation.

Re:Can brown noise turn off your brain? by JKCalhoun on Thursday September 29, 2022 @10:43AM (#33021387)
I can hear Shepard tones [1] in songs now. I remember the first time I heard it in a song, I was blown away, confused as to what I was hearing.

Later when it was pointed out to me that is is "a thing" I started to recognize them in other songs. I sort of miss being naive.

There's a line from one of Feynman's books where he is arguing with an artist friend who dislikes how Feynman (science generally) dissect a rose rather than just admiring its beauty. Feynman is incredulous as to how knowing more about a thing can take away from its beauty. (I may be slightly mis-remembering this exchange.)

That always bothered me because I felt that naïveté is a thing you lose with knowledge and that is not always a good thing.

Walt Whitman's "When I Heard the Learn’d Astronomer" [2] instead resonated with me.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shepard_tone

[2] https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/45479/when-i-heard-th...

Re:Can brown noise turn off your brain? by hunter-gatherer on Thursday September 29, 2022 @04:19PM (#33026561)
Shepard tone is popular for building suspense. The soundtrack for the movie "Dunkirk" leverages a pretty identfiable shepard tone for anyone interested in hearing a quick example.
Re:Can brown noise turn off your brain? by JKCalhoun on Thursday September 29, 2022 @07:22PM (#33028717)
First one I heard was in an obscure song by an obscure band, O Positive and their song (appropriately titled, "Up Up Up" — closes at around 3:00):

https://youtu.be/2na0hW0JGJ0

There's an Elliot Smith song with it as well ... I'll have to try to recall it.

Re:Can brown noise turn off your brain? by dreamcompiler on Friday September 30, 2022 @12:13AM (#33030841)
Re:Can brown noise turn off your brain? by swayvil on Thursday September 29, 2022 @11:15AM (#33021867)
One's a sensation, the other is a mental model of the sensation. Big difference.

You can direct your attention at one or the other. Maybe both to a degree but concentrated deep focus demands exclusivity.

Re:Can brown noise turn off your brain? by zalo on Thursday September 29, 2022 @01:09PM (#33023804)
There are mechanical ambient noise generators that generate sound via fans and rushing air in a special cavity; a popular one is the Marpac Dohm.

I've considered 3D printing custom shells for it to further tune the sound profile to achieve the brown noise ideal.

Re:Can brown noise turn off your brain? by cal85 on Thursday September 29, 2022 @11:48AM (#33022351)
Your case sounds a bit extreme (perhaps it has an element of nocebo through overthinking it?), but I do share this problem to an extent.

If you like ambient music, I love Brian Eno’s ‘Reflection’ album and use it for a similar purpose as noise. But I eventually got sick of hearing it again and again, recognising the same bits... Then I found he has also released the original endless generator (from which the album is just an hour-long recording) as an iOS app. It’s wonderful. It’s just endless Reflection, never repeating, always sounding new, but always sounding like Reflection. Expensive but worth it, if you liked the hour-long recording.

Re:Can brown noise turn off your brain? by dreamcompiler on Friday September 30, 2022 @12:06AM (#33030798)
If street noise worked for me I'd mount a weatherproof microphone outside the window, run a cable from it inside (maybe around the edge of the window) to a preamp driving a cheap Class D power amp, and drive one good speaker with it. Maybe put a graphic EQ in the chain after the preamp if I wanted to fiddle with the sound.

Winter problem solved. No bluetooth or batteries needed; just a wall wart or maybe USB-C.

Running the cable would be the trickiest part if I had close tolerance metal window frames. In that case maybe a bluetooth mic would be best, but I'd have to figure out how to weatherproof it.

Re:Can brown noise turn off your brain? by LegitShady on Thursday September 29, 2022 @08:59AM (#33019963)
I used this enough that years ago I paid them money just because I got so much use out of it. Haven't used it in a few years though, as lately I've been listening to more music than noise.
Re:Can brown noise turn off your brain? by 48cfu on Thursday September 29, 2022 @06:01PM (#33027904)
Thank you for this
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Re:Can brown noise turn off your brain? by czx4f4bd on Thursday September 29, 2022 @03:42PM (#33026029)
It's pretty extreme to insinuate that users are bots with no evidence. I checked both users' accounts and find it incredibly unlikely that either is a bot.

shmerl, the user who mentioned mynoise in that link, has 11,234 karma and has had their account since 2011. rob74, the user you're responding to, has 5,923 karma and has had their account since 2016. Both are recently-active users with a history of real comments that don't mention mynoise.

Perhaps you are seeing this site mentioned frequently because users enjoy it and it fills its niche incredibly well. I previously came across it searching for a Shepherd tone generator and have found that it offers the best balance between tweakability and ease-of-use.

Re:Can brown noise turn off your brain? by austinjp on Thursday September 29, 2022 @06:39PM (#33028293)
Dude. The site is great, and people mention it from sheer good will.

For anyone who visits, consider donating!

Re:Can brown noise turn off your brain? by SirSavary on Thursday September 29, 2022 @02:51PM (#33025367)
Someone asked if anyone knew how to make a certain noise and another user replied with a solution. How is that not relevant?
Re:Can brown noise turn off your brain? by ZeroGravitas on Thursday September 29, 2022 @02:53PM (#33025401)
The specific link is to a data centre noise field, which seems more relevant than not if someone is asking for software generated HDD clicks.