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Re:Europe is in danger of rolling electricity shortages by ChuckNorris89 on Sunday September 25, 2022 @09:49AM (#32971308)
>Here's what rich countries are doing in general: outbidding pour countries for the limited amount of resources available in the short term.

Not just energy, but food, vaccines, medical supplies, consumer products, etc. This has always been the case but now it's at the point where third world countries will probably have major civil unrest and emigration due to the shortages of food and energy they will face from being outbid by Europe and other rich countries during this shortage.

Europeans can resort to going on fewer and less expensive vacations to compensate for the increased prices of energy, food, game consoles and GPUs, but I doubt anyone here will actually starve or freeze to death, while that may be an actual reality for some people in some developing nations.

Re:Europe is in danger of rolling electricity shortages by xiphias2 on Sunday September 25, 2022 @10:39AM (#32971750)
If you really think that all Europeans are going to vacations and buying game consoles, you havent been to a village in an Eastern-European country yet.

I am sure that living from $70/month would be hard for any of us, but some people have to keep their whole family alive from that money, and definately depend on the government this winter. If they freeze, nobody will know about them and they will be just deleted from the statistics.

Heres a video of how the poorest part of Hungary looked like a few years ago, and I am sure their life has just gotten much worse since a few years ago: https://youtu.be/FvoTaqutfVk

Re:Europe is in danger of rolling electricity shortages by Tenoke on Sunday September 25, 2022 @12:23PM (#32972909)
I've been to villages in Eastern Europe and wood burning is among the main methods of heating. I'm guessing the price increases of everything else is what's a bigger problem there.
Re:Europe is in danger of rolling electricity shortages by KronisLV on Sunday September 25, 2022 @12:48PM (#32973185)
> I've been to villages in Eastern Europe and wood burning is among the main methods of heating.

I am from Eastern Europe (Latvia) and this does mostly hold true for the countryside: wood burning stoves are common.

However, it is likely that inflation and other cost increases will also affect the prices of firewood from here on out, as well as getting it delivered (unless you decided to secure your own, though depending on where/how you do that, the legality might be dubious).

From what I know of, most people are noticeably hit by the increase of prices in the stores (as well as a somewhat decreased selection of what's available), in addition to greatly increased electricity prices, which has been a topic that gets brought up often in the news.

There aren't that many great solutions for that, to be honest - both diesel generators and solar panels are too expensive for most people, even though there are programs to aid families with purchasing and setting up their own, if they're capable of partaking in those: https://www.altum.lv/en/services/individuals/energy-efficien... (the Latvian translation has more information https://www-altum-lv.translate.goog/pakalpojumi/iedzivotajie...)

That said, it's probably difficult to undertake something like that, when you're living from paycheck to paycheck.

Re:Europe is in danger of rolling electricity shortages by fy20 on Sunday September 25, 2022 @04:37PM (#32975921)
Here in Lithuania a tonne of wood pellets went from 125€ last year to 500€ today. It will probably go up even more as the winter progresses.
Re:Europe is in danger of rolling electricity shortages by incone123 on Sunday September 25, 2022 @10:22AM (#32971607)
Poor people in Europe already die of cold every winter. The UK especially has a lot of housing in bad condition. Before the pandemic I would regularly see retirement-aged people sitting in the local indoor shopping centre all day in winter.
Re:Europe is in danger of rolling electricity shortages by distances on Sunday September 25, 2022 @10:40AM (#32971758)
Where exactly? At least in Northern Europe it's very rare that even homeless would die of cold, and most of such cases are due to drunkenly passing out in the snow.
Re:Europe is in danger of rolling electricity shortages by jozvolskyef on Sunday September 25, 2022 @10:08AM (#32971480)
European != middle class.
Re:Europe is in danger of rolling electricity shortages by ChuckNorris89 on Sunday September 25, 2022 @10:16AM (#32971562)
The poor and vulnerable people in places like Austria, France, Germany, Netherlands, etc. receive generous welfare and assistance from the government to not starve and freeze to death. They'll be fine.

In Eastern Europe, not so much.

Re:Europe is in danger of rolling electricity shortages by jozvolskyef on Sunday September 25, 2022 @10:41AM (#32971770)
Are you implying that France, Germany, and Netherlands don't have homeless and elderly people? These two groups are the most at risk of dying form cold.

edit: I'm glad that you mention Eastern Europe, which is where I come from. Paradoxically, more people die from cold in the West, because their milder climates don't force them to invest in insulation.

edit2: the previous claim may be based on flawed methology, see https://academic.oup.com/jpubhealth/article/38/4/806/2966950

Re:Europe is in danger of rolling electricity shortages by trasz on Sunday September 25, 2022 @08:11PM (#32977866)
At least here in Cambridge social services literally rent hotel rooms for homeless folks when it gets dangerously cold.
Re:Europe is in danger of rolling electricity shortages by jotm on Sunday September 25, 2022 @12:18PM (#32972858)
EU food is (was?) flooding markets all around it due to being cheaper and higher quality even after import taxes/customs duty.

Should've bought local, but as someone from a poor country neighbouring the EU - fuck that, learn to make quality or you deserve to go under. I'm not paying 2.5x the price for local atrocious quality.

And farmers saying lack of rain will ruin them can Google "artificial irrigation" on their gigabit fiber and unlimited 4G. But hey, I guess those new BMWs were worth it.