Re:Russian airlines ordered to stop selling tickets to Russi...
by mildmotive on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @03:00PM
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You’re making some good points. But I think the main argument still stands, that we should be careful not to view the Russian people as being all victims.
I concede to what you’re saying about the censorship. However, do note that this can act as an argument for his point as well.
Re:Russian airlines ordered to stop selling tickets to Russi...
by jjulius on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @03:06PM
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>But I think the main argument still stands, that we should be careful not to view the Russian people as being all victims.
This is a fair point. I didn't intend to paint all Russian citizens so broadly, and I could've done more to drive that point home than the single sentence at the end of my last post.
>However, do note that this can act as an argument for his point as well.
Also true!
I mean, the whole reason they're there is because of him.
>No, it was a significant part of the Russian people that did.
Not really:
>Prewar intelligence analyses said Russia had deployed around a total of 170,000 troops to the regions near Ukraine’s borders in the run-up to the invasion.[1]
>The current population of the Russian Federation is 146,072,977 as of Wednesday, September 21, 2022, based on Worldometer elaboration of the latest United Nations data.[2]
Less than 1% of Russian citizens were at Ukraine's border in February. Now we're hearing of a need for an additional 300,000 for a total of 470,000, or still less than 1% of Russian citizens. I find it incredibly difficult to call that a "significant part of the Russian people".
>An even larger portion of the Russian people supported these crimes.
Again, it is illegal to speak out against this invasion, and the nation has been under incredibly increasing levels of oppression for decades. While I don't doubt that a portion of Russian citizens supports it, I can't take those polls at face value.
[1]https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-putin-soldiers-ukraine-war-de...
[2]https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/russia-popula...