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Re:EU Open Web Search project kicked off by kazinator on Tuesday September 20, 2022 @11:50PM (#32920659)
Speaking of Google and ads; I witnessed a new low today.

My 3 going on 4 kid was watching a cartoon on Youtube: Curious George.

An ad popped up promoting some show, featuring foul language and sexual intercourse.

Yagoddabekidding.

Re:EU Open Web Search project kicked off by lock-the-spock on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @01:25AM (#32921109)
That's why I don't let my kids watch YouTube on their own... That said, as a European I'm more triggered by all the gore and violence rather than some naked skin (although I also wouldn't want sub-12 year olds encounter explicitly sexual stuff). The later seems to just lead to questions and adult conversations, but the normalised violence the kids seem to act out.
Re:EU Open Web Search project kicked off by kavalg on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @04:35AM (#32922240)
I second the violence thing. I has somehow become the new normal in the teenager world which is very disturbing to me. In my family we strictly use only Firefox with ublock for youtube (and the rest of the internet too). The difference is night an day. I always recommend it to friends of mine and every time I get positive feedback after this.
Re:EU Open Web Search project kicked off by saiya-jin on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @05:27AM (#32922574)
Once or twice I didn't use Firefox with ublock origin on youtube, and since I am pretty allergic to any ads as they insult my intelligence I just closed the whole page before getting to the content.

How can otherwise smart people accept being treated like brainless idiots by similar services is beyond me. And how can they teach their kids that's fine too is something I'll never understand... but hey its your kids, everybody sees quality of their parenting first hand (and then complain how kids are unruly and eat junk these days... gee I wonder where they took inspiration and who built their character).

Re:EU Open Web Search project kicked off by disgruntledphd2 on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @03:10AM (#32921709)
YouTube kids doesn't appear to have any ads, so might be worth checking out.
Re:EU Open Web Search project kicked off by tlarkworthy on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @12:48AM (#32920898)
I have YouTube premium. Everytime my kids get exposed to even age appropriate àds it generates attraction to crap. Even in magazines for kids. So I just keep ads out of their system and they seem happier and more internally satisfied
Re:EU Open Web Search project kicked off by eurasiantiger on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @01:22AM (#32921090)
Advertisements are essentially artificial reminders of how unsatisfying and difficult life is without $PRODUCT.
Re:EU Open Web Search project kicked off by guerrilla on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @07:43AM (#32923636)
Pretty much a form of psychological abuse and manipulation.
Re:EU Open Web Search project kicked off by harha on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @01:00AM (#32920963)
I've recently been searching for some how-to videos and the number of ads is insane - but somehow they don't show when I watch in the video search results in DuckDuckGo
Re:EU Open Web Search project kicked off by april_22 on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @06:32AM (#32923093)
Same here, not using YouTube's built in search function eliminates most of the ad and also recommendations problems. I use You.com since they additionally show Reddit and TikTok results which I sometimes find more useful than YT videos.
Re:EU Open Web Search project kicked off by easrng on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @05:06AM (#32922448)
I'm pretty sure YouTube doesn't play ads in embeds (as much?)
Re:EU Open Web Search project kicked off by baq on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @05:07AM (#32922460)
people are primarily motivated by envy even if they don't realize it...
Re:EU Open Web Search project kicked off by Roark66 on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @03:47AM (#32921934)
One more reason to use an ad blocker for YouTube. I even use on my (android) "smart" TV. The open source app I use is smartyoutubetv. Occasionally it gets broken, but then a fix is usually an update away. It skips not just ads, but intros, self promotion, "please subscribe to this channel" etc (assuming creators tag their content properly). Basically it is YouTube premium for free.

An interesting thing I noticed is than initially when I used the app)(with the same YouTube profile) I would get worse video suggestions. These days they are the same in YouTube app as well as smartyoutubetv.

Another interesting observation is that if the app breaks and I start watching YouTube in their app the frequency of their ads is quite reasonable in the beginning. Few times I even thought. Hey, if they show me an ad every couple of videos that's not that bad right, I might switch back to YouTube. Then as the amount of content watched increases the amount of ads increases to the point of making it unwatchable (4 ad breaks in a 20min video, sometimes even double 40s ads one can't skip). This makes me go back.

Re:EU Open Web Search project kicked off by Guidii on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @09:17AM (#32924736)
I'm curious here and would love to hear thoughts on:

A) Youtube's terms of service clearly state "not for kids under 13"[1]

B) Youtube has produced a product for the younger age market [2]

C) folks in this thread are reasonably complaining that full youtube isn't appropriate for children.

Am I missing something here? (Like maybe your child was using youtubekids and still got the unacceptable content?)

[1] https://blog.youtube/news-and-events/children-youtube/#:~:te.... "While we permit users between the ages of 13 and 17 to register for an account with parental permission, we do not allow children under the age of 13 to create an account"

[2] https://www.youtubekids.com/

Re:EU Open Web Search project kicked off by tephra on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @02:35AM (#32921491)
I'll put in a recommendation for the Youtube Kids app where this doesn't happen.
Re:EU Open Web Search project kicked off by kazinator on Thursday September 22, 2022 @06:48PM (#32945619)
Unfortunately, voice search is also something doesn't happen on Youtube Kids for Android TV. That greatly limits its usability, which is unfortunate, since there are many good things about it.

I'm using it in Japanese. Using the on-screen keyboard in Japanese mode, you can enter hiragana only. It doesn't do any word recognition to turn into kanji or katakana, which results in the search results being poor.

Nobody uses onscreen keyboards on Android TV for anything beyond entering a Wi-Fi password; it's a nonstarter.

YouTube Kids for Android TV ... ironically, just a toy for now ... with a well-deserved, accurate 1.4 star rating in the Play Store.

Re:EU Open Web Search project kicked off by GoblinSlayer on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @04:24AM (#32922170)
See? Now you know about that show and you will watch it. Ad was successfully delivered. Engagement goes up.
Re:EU Open Web Search project kicked off by classified on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @12:59AM (#32920959)
What did you expect? Google is an ad company, first and foremost. Everything else is just a funnel.
Re:EU Open Web Search project kicked off by kazinator on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @01:05AM (#32920996)
> What did you expect?

Something like, perhaps, the same standards and sense as in traditional broadcasting.

> Everything else is just a funnel

A funnel promoting pick up trucks and financial services to toddlers? Do they count that as an "impression" in the statistics that they feed the client? It seems like borderline fraud.

Re:EU Open Web Search project kicked off by auggierose on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @01:50AM (#32921236)
You can pay for YouTube premium to get rid of ads, maybe just do that? Or don't let your 3 year old kid watch YouTube in the first place, and show them something from traditional broadcasting. Before complaining about broadcasting standards, maybe first up your parenting standards.
Re:EU Open Web Search project kicked off by kazinator on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @01:13PM (#32928189)
> You can pay for YouTube premium to get rid of ads, maybe just do that?

"My /own/ children don't see inappropriate ads; therefore there isn't any problem."

> Before complaining about broadcasting standards, maybe first up your parenting standards.

"Before whining for ice cream, maybe first eat your dinner!"

Re:EU Open Web Search project kicked off by tremon on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @06:47AM (#32923207)
Does Youtube Premium offer higher standards? The post you're replying to isn't asking for fewer ads.
Re:EU Open Web Search project kicked off by auggierose on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @08:11AM (#32923884)
> An ad popped up promoting some show, featuring foul language and sexual intercourse.

Youtube Premium has no ads.

Re:EU Open Web Search project kicked off by alfnor on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @03:26AM (#32921795)
If only there was a way to get rid of ads...
Re:EU Open Web Search project kicked off by kazinator on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @03:34AM (#32921839)
What if I don't want to get rid of ads?
Re:EU Open Web Search project kicked off by guerrilla on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @07:35AM (#32923590)
That's not right. Use uBlock Origin.