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Re:Why do all these 20-somethings have closed captions turne... by mihaaly on Sunday September 18, 2022 @08:15AM (#32886904)
Exactly!!

Things became worse in the past 10 or something years (I am a 40 something btw.). As the article states we used subtitles in movies to learn language and to understand thick accent. However throughout time while we got better and better in comprehension the use of subtitles remained the same in overall. But very uneven too.

Old movies (not yet seen) and movies for children are never a problem. Also some properly made movies. The atmosphere and sound effects are fine as well as the dialogs.

But it became too much of a trend to make muttery a mushy dialogs where people seemingly unable to articulate. To the level never heard in real life (where muttering may be more common due to the more causal and mood or situation affected nature of conversations, unlike the carefully created and heavily controlled ones in movies). Also it is uneven. Some movies are still fine, but others (perhaps the newest Batman comes to mind, unsure, forgot that movie mostly, being so obscure) are a struggle, not fun at all. Aggrevated by the loud bangs and muttery dialog combo.

A sign that this is a systematic and intentionally manufactured problem, that sound engineers and directors lost their touch completely, is the existence of a feature in the newest Apple TV for equalizing the sound level in a movie. Streaming hardware manufacturers had to come up with solution to correct what sound engineers ruined or unable to get right nowadays.

Older movies are almost never a problem. New movies are in an uncomfortable amount.

Re:Why do all these 20-somethings have closed captions turne... by strunz on Sunday September 18, 2022 @10:20AM (#32887792)
I use that feature on Apple TV (normalize audio levels) and it's STILL too dramatic for watching unless you want to wake everyone in the house up. I have a 5.1 setup with the center channel even increased (to try and boost talking) and I still have to play the volume game at times.
Re:Why do all these 20-somethings have closed captions turne... by mihaaly on Sunday September 18, 2022 @01:51PM (#32889672)
Admittedly it is not solving all cases but for me it helps in seveal case. We have a simple stereo configuration though.
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Re:Why do all these 20-somethings have closed captions turne... by elteto on Sunday September 18, 2022 @09:50AM (#32887540)
I wish I could turn subtitles on for this comment. I have no idea what you are saying.
Re:Why do all these 20-somethings have closed captions turne... by daniel-cussen on Sunday September 18, 2022 @10:11AM (#32887713)
SUBTITLES: The film industry makes high art as well as common fare. The high art is what the artists want to make and enjoy but it has a very small market. The common fare is what pays the bills, because it sells like 100x more tickets than high art. High art = caviar, Shakespeare "caviar for the general" whereas common fare is hamburgers, flipping burgers, which is a real business, many more servings of hamburgers than caviar.
Re:Why do all these 20-somethings have closed captions turne... by mihaaly on Sunday September 18, 2022 @10:22AM (#32887802)
Sounds like a parallel topic to the poor sound mixing trouble to me. High art existed before muffled conversations mixed with loud sound effects or music. Also high art can coexist with balanced sound and articulate conversation. Or balanced sound can be used for 'burger' movies for their benefit.
Re:Why do all these 20-somethings have closed captions turne... by daniel-cussen on Sunday September 18, 2022 @10:44AM (#32887968)
Well back then just making a movie was cool, now you gotta make it better, use all the technology available, leave nothing on the table. They're trying to impress each other, stedda making good movies everybody can enjoy.
Re:Why do all these 20-somethings have closed captions turne... by elteto on Sunday September 18, 2022 @10:14AM (#32887737)
Thank you.
Re:Why do all these 20-somethings have closed captions turne... by daniel-cussen on Sunday September 18, 2022 @11:01AM (#32888092)
You're welcome elteto, all the way.

I have little idea when I cannot be understood, and it helps me to know when I do in fact communicate plainly.

Re:Why do all these 20-somethings have closed captions turne... by moistly on Sunday September 18, 2022 @01:29PM (#32889465)
You too-frequently convey your ideas through the use of obscure metaphor and convoluted sentence structure. Yet you clearly know how to write plainly, as you just demonstrated in your subsequent replies.

It is odd that you apparently wish to be understood, but more often than not choose opacity instead of clarity. Which is a bit of a shame, because if a person makes the effort to decipher your posts, they often do say something meaningful or insightful.

But others also have insights and useful information, and are much, much easier to understand; given this competition, of course your illucid rambling is skipped and downvoted.

Re:Why do all these 20-somethings have closed captions turne... by daniel-cussen on Sunday September 18, 2022 @04:20PM (#32891129)
OK I'll step up my game. Very constructive actionable advice, thanks.
Re:Why do all these 20-somethings have closed captions turne... by simonh on Sunday September 18, 2022 @11:15AM (#32888214)
There plenty of films made by very creative film makers that had plenty of artistic freedom, but still have muddy dialogue so I don’t see how any of that is relevant to the particular issue.
Re:Why do all these 20-somethings have closed captions turne... by alvah on Sunday September 18, 2022 @10:33AM (#32887885)
The account you replied to replied to a comment of mine on another thread with a weird word salad. It was suggested to me that said account may be a bot...
Re:Why do all these 20-somethings have closed captions turne... by moistly on Sunday September 18, 2022 @01:18PM (#32889373)
I’m convinced they’re not a bot. I believe they’re either deliberately engaged in “artistically” expressing themselves, or have mental health issues of the schizophrenic variety.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/brainspotting/2022...

Re:Why do all these 20-somethings have closed captions turne... by daniel-cussen on Sunday September 18, 2022 @01:31PM (#32889490)
Yeah pretty much. Am in fact expressing myself in a very "flowery" manner, artistically. I'm elevating the HN comment to an artform. I actually was thought to be schizophrenic by doctors once upon a time. Diagnosed secretly. Then they walked back on the diagnosis. Rescinded. I still get treated for it, because you don't need to stop taking the medication for it if you don't want to. Loophole.

I wouldn't say mental health issues, either. I pay a lot for psychiatry and get my money's worth, have a handle on it, pretty good patient according to many doctors. Often the favorite. Alpha in the psych ward always, alpha in rehab. Hey somebody gets dealt this hand, what if he plays his cards right?

What if he pulls off checkmates?

Re:Why do all these 20-somethings have closed captions turne... by ThePowerOfFuet on Sunday September 18, 2022 @07:08PM (#32892340)
Their profile claims:

>Perhaps you'll think my comments are unthinkable. My only response to that is that they were legibly written, not by a machine, but by a writer with a soul.

Re:Why do all these 20-somethings have closed captions turne... by ConceptJunkie on Sunday September 18, 2022 @10:05PM (#32893466)
They are legible because my browser uses a reasonable font. Whether they are intelligible is another matter.
Re:Why do all these 20-somethings have closed captions turne... by daniel-cussen on Monday September 19, 2022 @12:37AM (#32894329)
Interesting. Yeah that's cool, am I intelligible or not? Well I can say for certain the malpractice, the lobotomy, didn't help with that. Lost the ability to express clever ideas. Like I can no longer think that way.
Re:Why do all these 20-somethings have closed captions turne... by usefulcat on Sunday September 18, 2022 @01:06PM (#32889246)
Particular comments maybe, but probably not the account as a whole since it dates from 2007