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Re:Food delivery robot rolls through LA crime scene as confu... by account-5 on Friday September 16, 2022 @01:21AM (#32862402)
Someone move the tape to let it in the crime scene. Cops just looked like they had more pressing things to deal with. Seems like a non-story to me.
Re:Food delivery robot rolls through LA crime scene as confu... by laundermaf on Friday September 16, 2022 @01:23AM (#32862410)
> Seems like a non-story to me.

Kinda. It’s interesting to see we let robots where others can’t go, even in mundane tasks like delivery.

Re:Food delivery robot rolls through LA crime scene as confu... by modeless on Friday September 16, 2022 @01:48AM (#32862560)
In the reddit post about this someone told a story about how they crossed a crime scene like this to make a delivery.
Re:Food delivery robot rolls through LA crime scene as confu... by hosh on Friday September 16, 2022 @03:43AM (#32863302)
In the NBC footage, I thought I heard someone joke, “what if it is a bomb”.

When the tech reaches a threshold of saturation and ubiquity, it becomes less a curiosity and more of, something else to look out for.

Re:Food delivery robot rolls through LA crime scene as confu... by LAC-Tech on Friday September 16, 2022 @06:28AM (#32864334)
Welcome to our high tech cyber punk dystopia. Tent slums in the worlds richest cities, rampant opiate use and food delivery robots.

All we need is someone to start barcoding fentanyl zombies and it's a 1970s movie.

Re:Food delivery robot rolls through LA crime scene as confu... by joemazerino on Friday September 16, 2022 @11:01AM (#32866960)
I think about this all the time and I'm surprised I'm present on the earth to view it.
Re:Food delivery robot rolls through LA crime scene as confu... by feet on Friday September 16, 2022 @08:11AM (#32865045)
What is a fentanyl zombie?
Re:Food delivery robot rolls through LA crime scene as confu... by KBeyo on Friday September 16, 2022 @08:23AM (#32865160)
Re:Food delivery robot rolls through LA crime scene as confu... by feet on Friday September 16, 2022 @08:49AM (#32865410)
What is the evidence that fentanyl is the drug in use?
Re:Food delivery robot rolls through LA crime scene as confu... by wheelinsupial on Friday September 16, 2022 @11:54AM (#32867898)
What evidence will convince you it's fentanyl?
Re:Food delivery robot rolls through LA crime scene as confu... by feet on Friday September 16, 2022 @12:28PM (#32868476)
Some sort of reporting that affirmatively associates the behavior with a specific compound such as arrests or health records. Arrest records would likely not include confounding factors such as mental health issues, which also can determine abnormal behaviors in dual diagnosis scenarios. Possibly recorded interviews with the people exhibiting the behaviors would also be acceptable

Anything less is an assumption based on rumor

Re:Food delivery robot rolls through LA crime scene as confu... by wheelinsupial on Friday September 16, 2022 @04:47PM (#32871825)
Will you accept a description of the effects of fentanyl from a government website?

https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/substance-us...

"Mental effects Fentanyl causes: dizziness confusion going "on the nod" (being in and out of consciousness)

Physical effects

Besides strong pain relief, fentanyl produces effects such as: drowsiness slow breathing nausea and vomiting smaller (constricted) pupils itching or warm/hot sensation on the skin"

I think the mental effects cover what was shown in the videos provided by the other commenter.

Here is a video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVtvp59xue4&t=884s&t=14m44s) of someone "nodding off" or doing the "Hastings Shuffle." There are two people being interviewed who said that's what they look like when they've taken heroin. They went on to describe taking fentanyl and almost dying. Fentanyl is an opioid like heroin but it's much more powerful. If you don't die or overdose, then you'll be shuffling around.

This video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgEdyvxwcvQ&t=5m45s) has two examples of people injecting drugs at a safe injection site and appearing to "nod off." One slumped over a chair around 5 m 50 seconds and another around 6 m 10 seconds.

edit to add another video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1ojeXgyAu0&t=2m8s this one is fucked up but shows someone injecting and then the after effects. They think it's heroin, but the narrator says it could be fentanyl and they can't know for sure. Around 3:30 is the after effects.

Probably not convincing because you don't really see what the drug they are using is and you don't see them stick the needle in their arm or press the plunger.

I don't have crime stats because they don't arrest people for drug possession or even giving it away for free where I am. (https://www.straight.com/news/vancouver-police-department-de...)

There are lots of mental health problems and other contributing factors of people who use street drugs, including using drugs that aren't pure. We have coroners reports on deaths with fenatnyl and other drugs in the deceased. https://www2.gov.bc.ca/assets/gov/birth-adoption-death-marri... But that doesn't discuss the behavior. I don't think the behavior is solely attributable to fentanyl, but it does contribute to a fair bit of it since it's in so much of the supply.

Anyway, there is lots out there if you're interested in searching more.

Re:Food delivery robot rolls through LA crime scene as confu... by feet on Friday September 16, 2022 @04:55PM (#32871906)
The problem with descriptions being used as evidence is in your own statement. Fentanyl is a mu-opioid agonist just like heroin, morphine, oxycodone, and many other similar compounds. There is zero reason to believe that fentanyl in specific is the compound being used in those scenarios, especially with how common heroin is.
Re:Food delivery robot rolls through LA crime scene as confu... by wheelinsupial on Friday September 16, 2022 @05:03PM (#32871974)
Okay, the coroners data said, "Preliminary data suggests that the proportion of illicit drug toxicity deaths for which illicit fentanyl was detected (alone or in combination with other drugs) was approximately 82% in 2022 and 86% in 2021. 2022 data will change as further toxicology results are received."

I'm sure none of this convinces you, and I'm sure nothing I type or show will convince you either.

Re:Food delivery robot rolls through LA crime scene as confu... by feet on Friday September 16, 2022 @05:47PM (#32872424)
I have already stated the the evidence that would convince me and you have not provided anything similar. The evidence that you have provided would not suffice in a research environment which is the standard that I use.

Coroner data is not useful in this case as deaths are not necessarily correlated with other behavioral abnormalities.

Re:Food delivery robot rolls through LA crime scene as confu... by wheelinsupial on Friday September 16, 2022 @06:08PM (#32872628)
Since I'm not a trained researcher, I apologize for wasting your time.
Re:Food delivery robot rolls through LA crime scene as confu... by feet on Friday September 16, 2022 @09:47PM (#32874075)
You don't need to be a researcher to find interviews with people or to interview people exhibiting a behavior yourself

You don't need to be a researcher to find arrest records with behavioral descriptions and record of substances confiscated

Health records are different due to HIPAA, generally those are much harder to get your hands on even when deidentified

Re:Food delivery robot rolls through LA crime scene as confu... by rixrax on Friday September 16, 2022 @04:16AM (#32863516)
I think the team is already busy teaching their AI or whatever that when you have a yellow police tape (or otherwise heavy presence of armed officers or other [para]military), find an alternative route. This is how the self driving tech improves. And it's better that glitches like this happen with a small food delivery robot than with a AI controlled truck.

But consider this, that robot didn't get arrested, shot at, or otherwise brutalized by the law enforcement officers. And hopefully didn't cause too much confusion at the crime scene either as in preventing officers doing their job. So really, a non-story with win-win ending; or something like that.

Re:Food delivery robot rolls through LA crime scene as confu... by mywacaday on Friday September 16, 2022 @04:24AM (#32863577)
Does that then become a hack to misdirect the robot? As a side note it also works on real people, a long time ago in a small town a friend and I redirected all the traffic on the main Street down a small side street after one too many on a Saturday night. Harmless and it seemed funny at the time.
Re:Food delivery robot rolls through LA crime scene as confu... by lostlogin on Friday September 16, 2022 @05:03AM (#32863843)
> win-win ending; or something like that

Robots treated better than humans? What sort of -ism is this?

Re:Food delivery robot rolls through LA crime scene as confu... by petra on Friday September 16, 2022 @04:23AM (#32863571)
Most likely this doesnt use AI, but remote control by employees from south america.
Re:Food delivery robot rolls through LA crime scene as confu... by nisegami on Friday September 16, 2022 @07:11AM (#32864577)
>remote control by employees from south america

Whenever the topic of AI comes up, I always ask if it wouldn't be cheaper to set up shop in my country and pay people to do it in real time and call it AI.

Re:Food delivery robot rolls through LA crime scene as confu... by wvh on Friday September 16, 2022 @05:46AM (#32864129)
Maybe they thought the robot was meant to deliver something to the crime scene? How familiar are people with those robots?
Re:Food delivery robot rolls through LA crime scene as confu... by EdwardDiego on Friday September 16, 2022 @02:34AM (#32862829)
It's a story, just a light hearted one. And not even one mention of Skynet.
Re:Food delivery robot rolls through LA crime scene as confu... by shultays on Friday September 16, 2022 @04:21AM (#32863559)
Maybe the robot was the perpetrator sent back by Skynet
Re:Food delivery robot rolls through LA crime scene as confu... by scyzoryk_xyz on Saturday September 17, 2022 @02:14AM (#32875199)
Funny headline though