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Re:YouTube ads appear to be ramping up, with as many as 10 u... by kelnos on Thursday September 15, 2022 @07:15PM (#32859706)
Then pay for YT Premium so you don't have ads.

Look, I hate ads. I really do. You can pry uBlock Origin from my cold, dead fingers. But the thing is, sites and creators and whatnot still often choose ads as a way to fund the things they create. If they're pushing ads at you over a medium where you have control (there's a reason why a web browser is a "user agent"), then I think you totally have the right to choose what your user agent does and does not fetch from the remote server. (And I believe uBO does work for YouTube ads?)

But if you're consuming something through a medium where you don't have full control -- such as the YouTube mobile app -- then you get what you get. If the ads are onerously bad enough, and people don't want to pay to remove ads, then fewer people will use YT and Google will dial it back. But there's always the paid option.

I get that many of us don't like ads -- again, I don't either -- and don't like a choice being made for us as to how we're going to "pay" for content online. But this isn't the case here: Google offers an ad-free paid experience. If you get enough value out of YouTube, maybe you should just pay for it. If you don't want to (or can't), then ads (or blocking) it is. Or just don't use it... vote with your feet.

Re:YouTube ads appear to be ramping up, with as many as 10 u... by gaius_baltar on Thursday September 15, 2022 @07:52PM (#32860084)
> Then pay for YT Premium so you don't have ads.

Nope. YT Premium only makes the problem worse by requiring you to log in using an account that is tied to your real world identity and was used for payment processing. You just end up giving more data points to Google to track you, cross-reference with other sources and shove more ads in other platforms, still get native ads, and Google can just add their own ads later (as it is happening step by step with streaming companies).

Google is acting as a mobster and you should never pay the protection money. Use your trusty adblocker of choice, NewPipe or yt-dlp.

Re:YouTube ads appear to be ramping up, with as many as 10 u... by soulofmischief on Thursday September 15, 2022 @09:36PM (#32860943)
Long live NewPipe
Re:YouTube ads appear to be ramping up, with as many as 10 u... by leotravis10 on Tuesday September 20, 2022 @11:34AM (#32913164)
The problem with NewPipe and yt-dlp is they can get shut down at any given time the moment they have a cease and desist and/or DMCA takedown letter much like when Vanced was shut down. They're basically living on borrowed time. It's much of a reason why NewPipe has support for other platforms such as FramaTube and Soundcloud to prepare for that inevitable scenario.

I just wish there's viable alternatives to YouTube out there but sadly there isn't any.

Re:YouTube ads appear to be ramping up, with as many as 10 u... by BudaDude on Friday September 16, 2022 @11:38AM (#32867594)
Thats a very entitled view. No one is forcing you to use Youtube and you are skimping creators who rely heavily on ad revenue.
Re:YouTube ads appear to be ramping up, with as many as 10 u... by rocket_surgeron on Friday September 16, 2022 @09:52AM (#32866045)
People who don’t pay (or watch ads) are no different from the greedy dickheads who offer to pay artists and developers in “exposure”.

Ether pay, or don’t use.

Fuck You, Pay Me: https://youtu.be/jVkLVRt6c1U

Re:YouTube ads appear to be ramping up, with as many as 10 u... by codegladiator on Thursday September 15, 2022 @07:41PM (#32859971)
> But there's always the paid option.

I am sure ads will come to paid option too soon so enjoy while it lasts with truly ad free paid option.

Re:YouTube ads appear to be ramping up, with as many as 10 u... by rtpg on Thursday September 15, 2022 @07:48PM (#32860047)
You’re “sure”? I mean it’s kinda the whole point of the product, and from what has been said in trade articles the revenue from premium is much higher than the ad revenue it’s replacing.

People of course do stupid things, but the information I saw made it sound like there’s no question, premium is better for Youtube

Re:YouTube ads appear to be ramping up, with as many as 10 u... by throwoutway on Thursday September 15, 2022 @09:42PM (#32861000)
Netflix charges. For a long time they said no to ads. For a long time they said they won’t do ads. Then the profits started tipping down. Wall Street frowned.

Now ads are coming to Netflix, which you will still pay for.

What do you think Google will do, when they do freely abandon services, jack up GCP prices, and set 10 ads on the unpaid tier?

Re:YouTube ads appear to be ramping up, with as many as 10 u... by tehwebguy on Thursday September 15, 2022 @09:58PM (#32861149)
There will always be a cycle of bundling, unbundling, adding ads & removing ads.

In the meantime, if you can stand to identify yourself to Google, the $11.99 / mo I pay for YouTube Premium is some of the best bank for buck I ever spend.

Re:YouTube ads appear to be ramping up, with as many as 10 u... by sliken on Thursday September 15, 2022 @11:08PM (#32861618)
My understanding is all the current plans have no ads and will not have ads going forward. There's a new cheaper tier coming with ads, that doesn't bother me. As long as I pay what I consider a fair price and see no ads I'll be happy.
Re:YouTube ads appear to be ramping up, with as many as 10 u... by slenk on Friday September 16, 2022 @12:09AM (#32861956)
Streaming services ruined it. Next Netflix jump and its full back to a pirates life for me
Re:YouTube ads appear to be ramping up, with as many as 10 u... by YetAnotherNick on Thursday September 15, 2022 @07:53PM (#32860095)
I also don't understand this discussion that they want to show ads just for the sake of it. No, all they care about is money from the ad and if they could earn more by not showing it, then there is no reason not to take it.
Re:YouTube ads appear to be ramping up, with as many as 10 u... by mc32 on Thursday September 15, 2022 @08:30PM (#32860383)
The argument you hear, is this is how CableTV started. Pay for Ad-free TV. Then they started a few ads, then they added lots of ads to to the subscription you were paying for... but people could not give it up. It's not altogether unreasonable to make the comparison.
Re:YouTube ads appear to be ramping up, with as many as 10 u... by bombcar on Thursday September 15, 2022 @09:55PM (#32861106)
Exactly how it will go down. People who pay to not see ads are the most desirable ad demographic of all.
Re:YouTube ads appear to be ramping up, with as many as 10 u... by Veserv on Thursday September 15, 2022 @08:42PM (#32860489)
Well if that is the point then Youtube can just make a public, legally binding, unrevokable declaration that they will never insert ads into Youtube Premium. Since they are not going to do it, they lose nothing and their customers get a legally binding assurance. Problem solved.
Re:YouTube ads appear to be ramping up, with as many as 10 u... by zwily on Thursday September 15, 2022 @08:55PM (#32860605)
Why would they do that? You pay for YouTube Premium monthly. If they put in ads, you cancel. Simple enough.
Re:YouTube ads appear to be ramping up, with as many as 10 u... by smileysteve on Thursday September 15, 2022 @10:09PM (#32861218)
But Disney and Netflix are thinking exactly this; $7.99 with ads, $11.99 with ads.

Slippery slope might be that as soon as enough people by the lower tier, the prices increase to the upper tier

Re:YouTube ads appear to be ramping up, with as many as 10 u... by Kim_Bruning on Thursday September 15, 2022 @09:23PM (#32860836)
You're right for now. Once upon a time people started paying for cable, and the ads went away there too! (For a while...)
Re:YouTube ads appear to be ramping up, with as many as 10 u... by sliken on Thursday September 15, 2022 @11:07PM (#32861608)
Dunno, I did hulu plus ... till they added ads and cancelled.
Re:YouTube ads appear to be ramping up, with as many as 10 u... by throw_a_grenade on Thursday September 15, 2022 @07:34PM (#32859898)
May I introduce you to NewPipe, an excellent client for Android, and https://piped.kavin.rocks/ on desktop/web?

I disagree with the statement that this is " a medium where you don't have full control" — after all those are my devices and I like them to be my (user) agents, not some thurd (sic) party.

Re:YouTube ads appear to be ramping up, with as many as 10 u... by duxup on Thursday September 15, 2022 @08:22PM (#32860328)
The internet population wants everything for free.

Then we get upset when terms change/ we’re the product.

I wish there was a better way.

Re:YouTube ads appear to be ramping up, with as many as 10 u... by BizarroLand on Friday September 16, 2022 @12:27PM (#32868459)
No, you're wrong.

The success of Netflix and its ilk proves that people are more than willing to pay for a product.

The issue is that Netflix and its ilk decided that the format and payment we all agreed on for the content provided was insufficient, and split content and jacked up prices and fudged with the platform to extract more money from people who were already paying.

I would be ok with Netflix raising their prices as they produce more content and offer more services. I would be okay with a competitor or two having different content behind their own paywalls.

I am not okay with having prices increase while losing content and having negative experiences like advertising added to the experience across the board and needing to keep paying more and more to what is it, 10, 12 streaming services each with their own tiers of quality and constant price changes and content disappearing and being shifted over to other streaming providers.

They've taken what should have been a simple platform that is accessible to everyone for a reasonable price and turned it into a hellish pay-as-you-go labyrinth of frustration.

That's why people would rather pirate than pay.

What I would like is a pirating amnesty pay site. Go to one spot, tell it what you've watched (but not where or how) and pay whatever fraction of a dollar per show that the show creators expected to receive after all of the middlemen took their cut and go on with a clean conscience.

I would even pre-buy credits to spend on shows, when I'm out of credits for the month I don't get to watch any more tv. I'm cool with that, but that option doesn't exist and won't exist as long as soulless middlemen insist on pissing on the walls of every good thing until they get their money.

Re:YouTube ads appear to be ramping up, with as many as 10 u... by duxup on Friday September 16, 2022 @01:28PM (#32869338)
I feel like your statement is more about Netflix, rather than all the services people aren't paying for.
Re:YouTube ads appear to be ramping up, with as many as 10 u... by BizarroLand on Friday September 16, 2022 @02:16PM (#32869990)
It's not just Netflix.

There are over 20 streaming services in the US alone, and while some of them are tied to your cable providers, the grand majority have some content that is exclusively available to them, each with their own fee schedule and varying amount of advertisements or combo deals required to view the shows you would like to see.

Re:YouTube ads appear to be ramping up, with as many as 10 u... by demindiro on Thursday September 15, 2022 @07:43PM (#32859989)
> Google offers an ad-free paid experience

I wonder how long that will last.

Re:YouTube ads appear to be ramping up, with as many as 10 u... by dmatech on Thursday September 15, 2022 @08:01PM (#32860160)
Twitch did this a few years ago. Amazon Prime used to give you ad-free viewing, but they ended that. I believe the reason was so they could grow their ad business.

Likewise, If too many people buy Premium, they won't be able to sell as many ad spots. Plus, the people who actually pay for Premium probably make heavy use of YouTube. My guess is that they'll instead start increasing the price of Premium to get more people to give it up.

Re:YouTube ads appear to be ramping up, with as many as 10 u... by Crosseye_Jack on Friday September 16, 2022 @05:14AM (#32863909)
They still have a site wide ad free option. It’s Twitch Turbo.

Back in the day before Amazon brought out Twitch turbo would give ad free viewing plus a few extra perks (different emotes, full RBG setting for colouring your username).

When they launch Twitch Prime (now rebranded as Prime Gaming) as a benefit for Amazon Prime they copied the feature set from Turbo and added a free subscription to a streamer of your choice. So most people swapped from Turbo to Prime.

They stopped pushing Turbo and hit its purchase page but if you looked closely enough you could find it.

But prime wasn’t really a money maker, sure it was a benefit to the viewer but it was an extremely generous offer (helped soften the blow that Amazon just brought everyone’s fav gamer streaming platform)

But yeah it was tanking ad impressions (which they have were trying to expand the ad business during this time) cause you know you know a sub token worth 5 bucks, ad free viewing and all the other benefits of Amazon prime for what 8 bucks a month. You were a fool not to swap from the existing Turbo offering to Prime, and if you didn’t have Amazon Prime but you already sub’ed to atleast one streamer a month it was only a few extra bucks a month compared to what you were already paying.

So they removed the ad free viewing from Prime gaming and started pushing Turbo again for another 9 bucks a month.

Re:YouTube ads appear to be ramping up, with as many as 10 u... by daveguy on Thursday September 15, 2022 @08:31PM (#32860389)
You have just summarized every SaaS in the last 10 years. A froghop to higher profits. I wonder if there's a better way to do it.
Re:YouTube ads appear to be ramping up, with as many as 10 u... by bombcar on Thursday September 15, 2022 @09:56PM (#32861117)
There is but it involves ignoring VC and bootstrapping.

But even that can get acquired.

Re:YouTube ads appear to be ramping up, with as many as 10 u... by daveguy on Thursday September 15, 2022 @10:25PM (#32861329)
Is there a vaccine against acquisition?
Re:YouTube ads appear to be ramping up, with as many as 10 u... by bombcar on Thursday September 15, 2022 @10:30PM (#32861372)
There are some. You can make the company a non-profit (tricky) or be a sole owner (simpler) or massively poison-pill it.

Most also hamper investors, of course.

Re:YouTube ads appear to be ramping up, with as many as 10 u... by smileysteve on Thursday September 15, 2022 @10:12PM (#32861238)
Google's top risk is to Ads; much of Alphabet's purpose was to force each unit to find a monetization strategy; you're seeing this with nest, YouTube, workspaces, storage, music.

And then you're seeing it in their earnings call. (Though it's still a small percentage of revenue)

Re:YouTube ads appear to be ramping up, with as many as 10 u... by tdeck on Thursday September 15, 2022 @08:47PM (#32860537)
> But if you're consuming something through a medium where you don't have full control -- such as the YouTube mobile app -- then you get what you get.

Hint: it's possible to watch YouTube in the browser on mobile. It's possible to do it with the screen off as well, using some browsers. Do with this information what you will.

Re:YouTube ads appear to be ramping up, with as many as 10 u... by dom96 on Thursday September 15, 2022 @07:53PM (#32860096)
The problem is that YouTube is ramping up the number of ads. So what changed? Many creators have been getting plenty rich from the relatively fewer ads that have been shown over the years (which I've been quite happy with). If they are showing more ads for the creators sake then fine, but I am skeptical that is the case.
Re:YouTube ads appear to be ramping up, with as many as 10 u... by Gigachad on Friday September 16, 2022 @12:00AM (#32861908)
In general a lot of products have not been pulling their weight and have been subsidised by other products. YouTubers have not been able to make a living off video ads for a while so they do in video promotions, external fund raising, getting paid to promote crypto scams, etc.

YouTube may want to fix things so content creators can just put out good content and get paid properly through the platform.

Re:YouTube ads appear to be ramping up, with as many as 10 u... by david38 on Friday September 16, 2022 @02:06AM (#32862651)
I have YT premium. It only stops the ads in the beginning. It does nothing for the in-show ads - the sponsored stuff. I wish that was required to be flagged and skipped as well.
Re:YouTube ads appear to be ramping up, with as many as 10 u... by timbit42 on Friday September 16, 2022 @09:36AM (#32865877)
Does SponsorBlock work with YT Premium?
Re:YouTube ads appear to be ramping up, with as many as 10 u... by hlindhe on Saturday September 17, 2022 @02:09PM (#32879764)
Yes
Re:YouTube ads appear to be ramping up, with as many as 10 u... by smeagull on Thursday September 15, 2022 @07:49PM (#32860052)
Adblock is free, and doesn't help YouTube make more ads.
Re:YouTube ads appear to be ramping up, with as many as 10 u... by timbit42 on Friday September 16, 2022 @09:39AM (#32865906)
Ublock Origin uses less resources than the collection of Adblock add-ons and doesn't permit some ads by default.

I'd also recommend SponsorBlock.