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Re:Starlink is now on all seven continents, enabled by its s... by cududa on Wednesday September 14, 2022 @12:50PM (#32839825)
You know both Russia and China are perfectly capable of targeting and destroying satellites, yes?
Re:Starlink is now on all seven continents, enabled by its s... by ceejayoz on Wednesday September 14, 2022 @02:11PM (#32840963)
They'll find it easier, both technologically and diplomatically, to target and destroy Starlink receivers (and their owners) within their borders.
Re:Starlink is now on all seven continents, enabled by its s... by JumpCrisscross on Wednesday September 14, 2022 @02:40PM (#32841409)
> You know both Russia and China are perfectly capable of targeting and destroying satellites, yes?

This would be an act of war and open their birds to retaliatory strikes. Tracking down the receivers and levying draconian punishments on those caught would do the trick. Moreover, from the example of Chinese students abroad, it's unclear access to information would do much.

Re:Starlink is now on all seven continents, enabled by its s... by ctdonath on Wednesday September 14, 2022 @03:51PM (#32842462)
A few, yes.

Not by the thousands, short of taking ALL satellites out.

Re:Starlink is now on all seven continents, enabled by its s... by ElectricalUnion on Wednesday September 14, 2022 @04:21PM (#32842815)
> Not by the thousands, short of taking ALL satellites out.

Kessler syndrome takes care of them all once you generate enough space junk.

Re:Starlink is now on all seven continents, enabled by its s... by stjohnswarts on Wednesday September 14, 2022 @03:47PM (#32842391)
China, I'm not so worried about. At this point though, Putin doesn't have a lot to lose other than his head.
Re:Starlink is now on all seven continents, enabled by its s... by closewith on Wednesday September 14, 2022 @01:07PM (#32840077)
Neither could destroy SpaceX satellites as fast as they can be launched. No State can.

The issue would be whether they could cause enough damage to make the orbital plane (temporarily) unusable.

Re:Starlink is now on all seven continents, enabled by its s... by bpodgursky on Wednesday September 14, 2022 @01:17PM (#32840227)
The Starlink orbit is low enough that it would only be unusable for a year or so I'd imagine. Small debris will drop out quite fast.
Re:Starlink is now on all seven continents, enabled by its s... by smachiz on Thursday September 15, 2022 @03:57PM (#32857679)
They could absolutely destroy them fast enough. The also only need to destroy them fast enough that SpaceX finds it economically infeasible to continue launching them or blocking them themselves.

I also think that both countries could launch geosync satellites or using existing geosync satellites to just generate a shitton of noise on whatever spectrum Starlink would use.

Starlink of course won't get a license for spectrum in either country.

Re:Starlink is now on all seven continents, enabled by its s... by closewith on Thursday September 15, 2022 @06:47PM (#32859437)
What mechanism do you believe they could use to destroy the hundred of satellites necessary to destroy the constellation?
Re:Starlink is now on all seven continents, enabled by its s... by gpm on Wednesday September 14, 2022 @02:05PM (#32840880)
They have directed energy weapons that could probably destroy individual satellites one at a time faster than they could be launched.
Re:Starlink is now on all seven continents, enabled by its s... by closewith on Wednesday September 14, 2022 @02:13PM (#32840990)
Who does? I think there's a [citation needed] for this claim.
Re:Starlink is now on all seven continents, enabled by its s... by gpm on Wednesday September 14, 2022 @02:17PM (#32841053)
China does.

The probably is there for a reason though, the exact extent of their capabilities is unclear.

Here's a citation: https://thediplomat.com/2022/06/chinas-directed-energy-weapo...

Re:Starlink is now on all seven continents, enabled by its s... by closewith on Wednesday September 14, 2022 @02:21PM (#32841115)
That's rumour, not a citation. Maybe I'm wrong and directed energy weapons can destroy thousands of satellites in LEO, but it's never been demonstrated by any nation.
Re:Starlink is now on all seven continents, enabled by its s... by gpm on Wednesday September 14, 2022 @02:27PM (#32841209)
It's a citation that they have them, which is all I claimed definitively. If I could cite the part of the statement after "probably", there wouldn't be a "probably" there.

I would not call it rumors. If you'd like a more authoritative citation, here is a DIA (Defense Intelligence Agency, i.e. US military) report cited in the article I cited above: https://www.dia.mil/Portals/110/Documents/News/Military_Powe...

Re:Starlink is now on all seven continents, enabled by its s... by jcampbell1 on Wednesday September 14, 2022 @03:38PM (#32842260)
Go read page 24. It doesn’t say what you are claiming.
Re:Starlink is now on all seven continents, enabled by its s... by gpm on Wednesday September 14, 2022 @03:45PM (#32842356)
Page 24 definitely doesn't, it's about Russia. Page 17 on the other hand

> During the past two decades, Chinese defense research has proposed the development of several reversible and nonreversible counterspace DEWs for reversible dazzling of electro-optical sensors and even potentially destroying satellite components. China has multiple ground-based laser weapons of varying power levels to disrupt, degrade, or damage satellites that include a current limited capability to employ laser systems against satellite sensors. By the mid- to late-2020s, China may field higher power systems that extend the threat to the structures of nonoptical satellites.

The discussion of current capabilities is primarily about optical satellites (though it can be read to include other components), but it probably applies to giant sensitive phased array antennas too.

Re:Starlink is now on all seven continents, enabled by its s... by FpUser on Wednesday September 14, 2022 @01:27PM (#32840365)
Are those protected from EMP that can kill scores at once?
Re:Starlink is now on all seven continents, enabled by its s... by MichaelCollins on Wednesday September 14, 2022 @01:35PM (#32840498)
The point of Starship is to launch hundreds at once, several times a week if it goes as planned (that's a few years away.) Forget Mars colonization, the only practical use for such a booster is to fight a war in LEO.
Re:Starlink is now on all seven continents, enabled by its s... by closewith on Wednesday September 14, 2022 @02:00PM (#32840825)
There's currently more than 3,000 satellites in the constellation. Killing scores or even hundreds isn't enough. The only known EMP weapons that could really impact the constellation is nuclear, and at that point, knocking out Starlink is the least of our worries.
Re:Starlink is now on all seven continents, enabled by its s... by 42e6e8c8-f7b8-4 on Wednesday September 14, 2022 @02:03PM (#32840860)
I think a laser mounted on one of their satellites could get the job done. Their militaries may even have that already.