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Re:Anti-royal protesters are being arrested in the U.K. as '... by gambiting on Monday September 12, 2022 @06:44PM (#32818196)
Why does everything have to be so extremist with the US? Everything taken to the absolute maximum imaginable?

Protests should be allowed, but it's not an absolute god given right - if you're being a dick, destroying public property, advocating violence or hate - then no, you shouldn't be allowed to protest. I know in America you let even neo nazis march your streets and boast how that's "freedom" but that's not freedom - that's blindly following certain ideology(freedom to do anything AT ALL costs) without any consideration as to what that does to your society.

Re:Anti-royal protesters are being arrested in the U.K. as '... by mwint on Monday September 12, 2022 @06:51PM (#32818280)
USAian here:

> Protests should be allowed

They are.

> destroying public property

Is illegal and you can be arrested for it.

> advocating violence or hate

Is illegal and you can be arrested for it.

You just can’t be arrested for “being rude”. You have to commit a crime.

Protesting does not mean you’re immune to prosecution for non-free-speech crimes. What happened with the BLM riots was simply governments deciding, for one reason or another, not to stop the crimes being committed.

Re:Anti-royal protesters are being arrested in the U.K. as '... by heavyset_go on Monday September 12, 2022 @07:00PM (#32818419)
> > advocating violence or hate

> Is illegal and you can be arrested for it.

This is untrue. Immediate, direct, actionable threats are illegal, saying "I/we/you need to go hunt down and murder X now" can be construed as an actionable threat.

Extolling the virtues of murder and opining about how nice it would be if someone finally hunted down and killed X is legal free speech.

You can talk about how X needs to die all you want, but if you start making immediate, direct, actionable threats towards X, that crosses territory from free speech to illegal threats.

Re:Anti-royal protesters are being arrested in the U.K. as '... by Vecr on Monday September 12, 2022 @07:18PM (#32818623)
This is correct, I'm not sure why it's being down-voted. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/True_threat
Re:Anti-royal protesters are being arrested in the U.K. as '... by heavyset_go on Monday September 12, 2022 @07:28PM (#32818727)
Eh, it's an ugly truth and my examples could have been less extreme.

Various circuit courts have different tests for what constitutes a true threat versus legal free speech, some of which can be found here[1].

For example, here's the 2nd Circuit's opinion:

> a true threat is “on its face and in the circumstances in which it is made is so unequivocal, unconditional, immediate, and specific as to the person threatened, as to convey a gravity of purpose and imminent prospect of execution.”

[1] https://mtsu.edu/first-amendment/article/1025/true-threats