Queen Elizabeth II has died

Re:Queen Elizabeth II has died by pclmulqdq on Thursday September 08, 2022 @02:49PM (#32770205)

The queen says "tut tut" to the prime minister when the prime minister does something bad. That is not a role that you can underestimate. The queen reminds the prime minister that there is someone above them, and someone that they answer to. In comparison, a lot of US presidents seem like they need a few "tut tuts."

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Re:Queen Elizabeth II has died by jamiek88 on Thursday September 08, 2022 @03:11PM (#32770541)

US presidents answer to the people.

It’s completely different.

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Re:Queen Elizabeth II has died by simonh on Thursday September 08, 2022 @03:30PM (#32770815)

They answer to the people eventually, but while in office they wield powers unknown in our (British) system since the time of George III. And I mean that quite literally. The US president is essentially an elected British King circa 1789. They literally copied the constitutional role of the king point by point with a few minor alterations. The power to convene and dissolve parlia...er...congress, executive decrees are royal decrees, the veto on legislation, command of the armed forces, the power to pardon convicts, proroguation. Not exactly cutting edge constitutional innovation I'm afraid. We've moved on, but in some ways the US still stuck in the 18th Century.

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Re:Queen Elizabeth II has died by dghlsakjg on Thursday September 08, 2022 @04:10PM (#32771383)

You have an overly expansive view of presidential powers.

The Congress does not answer to the president. It is an independent institution. It does not convene and dissolve by presidential request.

Executive orders can be over-ruled by either of the other two branches of government

Veto power can be over-ruled by the congress.

Until recently, presidents needed congressional approval to make war. Now we skip that part and just don't call it a war.

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Re:Queen Elizabeth II has died by simonh on Friday September 09, 2022 @02:51AM (#32776102)

>It does not convene and dissolve by presidential request.

And yet Article 2 Section 3 exists. Constitutional convention copy machine go Brrr. However I did exaggerate slightly for satirical effect. Maybe I should have just said "some alterations".

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Re:Queen Elizabeth II has died by bambax on Thursday September 08, 2022 @03:38PM (#32770923)

Yeah it's different, and worse IMHO. "The people" is an abstraction, like "God" or "Nature". The Queen is a real person that you have to go meet in her house, and bow to.

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Re:Queen Elizabeth II has died by garren on Thursday September 08, 2022 @03:22PM (#32770685)

It’s completely different, that’s without a doubt. Whether or not a US President “answer[s] to the poeple” is debatable. W Bush taking the country to Iraq again, against a significant majority of the people comes to mind.

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Re:Queen Elizabeth II has died by dustincoates on Thursday September 08, 2022 @03:39PM (#32770933)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_opinion_in_the_United...

Support for the Iraq War at the time of invasion was either close to or a majority.

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Re:Queen Elizabeth II has died by pclmulqdq on Thursday September 08, 2022 @03:27PM (#32770767)

Throughout history, the people have tried to say "tut tut" to the president, and the response is usually large amounts of police violence.

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Re:Queen Elizabeth II has died by Dalewyn on Thursday September 08, 2022 @03:41PM (#32770962)

Like all American politicians the POTUS does ultimately answer to the people, but only in an indirect fashion. Directly, the POTUS answers to the States because the States are the ones who elect him.

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Re:Queen Elizabeth II has died by NoGravitas on Thursday September 08, 2022 @05:56PM (#32772592)

And isn't that going to be a shitshow in 2024?

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Re:Queen Elizabeth II has died by tcmart14 on Thursday September 08, 2022 @03:18PM (#32770632)

In theory. But theory and practice are different things.

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Re:Queen Elizabeth II has died by pclmulqdq on Thursday September 08, 2022 @03:14PM (#32770568)

Does Joe Biden agree?

Does Donald Trump agree?

I would wager that neither man feels particularly accountable to the unwashed masses that both of them openly disdained.

Edit: Does George Bush agree?

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Re:Queen Elizabeth II has died by jonny_eh on Thursday September 08, 2022 @03:29PM (#32770806)

Especially if they feel that they can use violence to overrule the will of the people.

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Re:Queen Elizabeth II has died by hydrolox on Thursday September 08, 2022 @03:24PM (#32770719)

Well, Trump didn't get re-elected and it doesn't seem like Biden will either. So they "answer" every 4 years.

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