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Re:Ask HN: Should I be panicking about jobs in Europe? by epolanski on Wednesday September 07, 2022 @06:12PM (#32757740)
> to gazprom basically being used as an economic weapon of Russia

So after we funded Ukraine's war, sanctioned Russia into oblivion, froze hundreds of billions $ of their money, forced our companies to leave their market, and even seized their belongings it's them weaponizing assets?

I'm all for the sanctions and support, but making Russia the bad guy for our economic crisis because they are retaliating sanctions is really biased. It's not a weapon, it's a trade and they leave money on the table everyday. Lots of money.

Re:Ask HN: Should I be panicking about jobs in Europe? by themitigating on Wednesday September 07, 2022 @06:20PM (#32757845)
"Both sides both sides"

Russia is the bad guy for both the war and their reaction to the sanctions. Your comment is like saying "don't get mad at a criminal for shooting at the police chasing him".

Re:Ask HN: Should I be panicking about jobs in Europe? by paganel on Wednesday September 07, 2022 @06:35PM (#32758043)
> at the police chasing him"

Just so that we're clear, calling the West as "the police" as you do with your analogy just reinforces Russia's claim that we now live in a unipolar world, of which the US is the policeman (hence Russia's desire to split it all into a multi-polar world, no police chasing bad guys without international due-process there).

Re:Ask HN: Should I be panicking about jobs in Europe? by themitigating on Thursday September 08, 2022 @11:26AM (#32766983)
My analogy was good vs evil not policing. Defending the invasion of another country is also not policing
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Re:Ask HN: Should I be panicking about jobs in Europe? by dang on Wednesday September 07, 2022 @07:53PM (#32758985)
Please don't take HN threads further into hellish flamewar. It's not what this site is for, and it destroys what it is for, and we end up having to ban accounts that do it.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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Re:Ask HN: Should I be panicking about jobs in Europe? by dang on Wednesday September 07, 2022 @07:55PM (#32759008)
Please don't take HN threads further into hellish flamewar. It's not what this site is for, and it destroys what it is for, and we end up having to ban accounts that do it.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:Ask HN: Should I be panicking about jobs in Europe? by gdy on Thursday September 08, 2022 @06:25AM (#32763603)
Sorry
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Re:Ask HN: Should I be panicking about jobs in Europe? by dang on Wednesday September 07, 2022 @07:55PM (#32759005)
Please don't take HN threads further into hellish flamewar. It's not what this site is for, and it destroys what it is for, and we end up having to ban accounts that do it.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:Ask HN: Should I be panicking about jobs in Europe? by scrollaway on Wednesday September 07, 2022 @07:35PM (#32758759)
None of these conflicts justify the Russian invasion of Ukraine.

Nothing in the world justifies a Russian invasion of Ukraine, because this isn't the 18th fucking century.

Stop trying to justify the Russian invasion of Ukraine.

Re:Ask HN: Should I be panicking about jobs in Europe? by azth on Wednesday September 07, 2022 @07:52PM (#32758974)
Where’s he justifying it? He’s simply pointing out the double standards when the West policies the world how they can get away with whatever atrocities they want.

Plus, you furthered his point by calling the western atrocious as “conflicts”.

Re:Ask HN: Should I be panicking about jobs in Europe? by bilvar on Wednesday September 07, 2022 @06:41PM (#32758108)
Where were EUs sanctions when the “police” was massacring people all over the Middle East multiple times?
Re:Ask HN: Should I be panicking about jobs in Europe? by themitigating on Thursday September 08, 2022 @11:24AM (#32766955)
Whataboutism, unrelated to this situation
Re:Ask HN: Should I be panicking about jobs in Europe? by MrRiddle on Wednesday September 07, 2022 @07:04PM (#32758369)
That doesn’t count, that was a mistake /s
Re:Ask HN: Should I be panicking about jobs in Europe? by epolanski on Wednesday September 07, 2022 @06:35PM (#32758050)
It's not whataboutism.

It's ridiculous to me we went all in on sanctions pretending they would bend over and keep doing business with us, but only on things we want them to, after we deny them machinery, computers, software, cars and steal/freeze their assets.

Your analogy doesn't work, we aren't police and they are not shooting, they quit doing business and decided they are okay without our money.

Re:Ask HN: Should I be panicking about jobs in Europe? by zx85wes on Wednesday September 07, 2022 @07:35PM (#32758767)
"we" didn't want them to do business with us. See "MEPs demand full embargo on Russian imports of oil, coal, nuclear fuel and gas" https://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/press-room/20220401IP... The US had to intervene to stop this.
Re:Ask HN: Should I be panicking about jobs in Europe? by topher6345 on Wednesday September 07, 2022 @06:26PM (#32757917)
Russian could end the sanctions by choosing to withdraw their invasion. Withdrawing is the win/win for everyone.
Re:Ask HN: Should I be panicking about jobs in Europe? by zx85wes on Wednesday September 07, 2022 @07:36PM (#32758773)
Re:Ask HN: Should I be panicking about jobs in Europe? by nl on Wednesday September 07, 2022 @06:36PM (#32758059)
This is the first time I've ever heard a Russia apologist even try to call it "Ukraine's war". Almost like it's a surprise Ukraine fought back when Russia invaded.

Even Putin was honest enough to call it an invasion and limited his lies to attempts to justify it.

Yes retaliation for sanctions can be expected. But Russia is still the bad actor here.

Re:Ask HN: Should I be panicking about jobs in Europe? by epolanski on Wednesday September 07, 2022 @06:51PM (#32758224)
Call a Russia apologist someone else.

As stated, I support both supporting Ukraine and the sanctions.

That doesn't make our policy makers any less ridiculous and short sighted in their expectations.

Re:Ask HN: Should I be panicking about jobs in Europe? by nl on Friday September 09, 2022 @03:12AM (#32776245)
In retrospect I suspect you might be a non-native English speaker? ("Call a Russia apologist someone else" would normally be written "Call someone else a Russian apologist").

In English "Ukraine's war" give the ownership of the war to Ukraine, making them responsible for it.

If this isn't your intent then good, and I apologize for calling you a Russian apologist.

Re:Ask HN: Should I be panicking about jobs in Europe? by bilvar on Wednesday September 07, 2022 @06:27PM (#32757945)
This. It’s quite saddening to realise Western people are as brainwashed by govts and media as much as the Russians are.
Re:Ask HN: Should I be panicking about jobs in Europe? by Tade0 on Wednesday September 07, 2022 @06:37PM (#32758067)
This isn't the first time they weaponized their assets - just the first time against the west.

Countries neighbouring Russia dealt with similar issues multiple times already.