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Re:Emergency SOS via satellite is included for free with iPh... by guyzero on Wednesday September 07, 2022 @04:19PM (#32756205)
This raises BOM costs and has significant operating costs. How many users are likely to continue to pay for this service once the two years are up?

It's a great feature but it's far from a guaranteed money maker. This could just as likely disappear from future iPhone models.

edit: also competing dedicated devices also include the cost of SAR insurance in their monthly fees, which are significant: https://www.garmin.com/en-US/p/837461/pn/010-06000-SU

It starts at $15 a month but any serious user is paying more like $35-65 a month.

Re:Emergency SOS via satellite is included for free with iPh... by SkyPuncher on Wednesday September 07, 2022 @04:40PM (#32756500)
I live in a small city in what is rural America. There are a lot of places that I travel that I don't get cell service in. This could literally be a life-saver for me.

While I don't know how large this group is, skiers, hikers, boaters, campers, off-roaders would all likely get use out of this functionality.

Re:Emergency SOS via satellite is included for free with iPh... by guyzero on Wednesday September 07, 2022 @04:42PM (#32756528)
Most people in the groups you mention probably already own a dedicated emergency locator device. AAPL may very well take a lot of their business, but maybe not. An inReach is going to survive a much bigger fall than an iPhone.
Re:Emergency SOS via satellite is included for free with iPh... by happyopossum on Wednesday September 07, 2022 @04:52PM (#32756668)
> Most people in the groups you mention probably already own a dedicated emergency locator device

Hahahahahahaha! Not a chance. Maybe the over landing crowd, and hardcore hikers, but most casual enjoyers of the outdoors definitely do NOT have a Spot or InReach. Next time you’re on a ski hill, ask around - you’ll be shocked how few people have them.

Re:Emergency SOS via satellite is included for free with iPh... by acchow on Wednesday September 07, 2022 @04:56PM (#32756733)
iPhone has shown that people don't want dedicated devices. iPhone has replaced: watch, compass, digital camera, calculator, ebook reader, portable DVD player, flashlight, Garmin GPS, etc. etc. etc.
Re:Emergency SOS via satellite is included for free with iPh... by goleary on Wednesday September 07, 2022 @05:00PM (#32756788)
debatable...lots of people with iphones still use watches and ereaders.

and for a life saving device like this i know a subset of people will not want it a part of their phone.

...but this will definitely take a LOT of business from garmin because i believe that subset to be pretty small.

Re:Emergency SOS via satellite is included for free with iPh... by frio on Wednesday September 07, 2022 @07:33PM (#32758750)
As someone who hikes (well, it's NZ, so, tramps) a fair bit, we'll continue taking our PLB with us (we opted for a 406MHz PLB rather than the Garmin solutions because we didn't want to find out in a life-threatening situation that our credit cards had expired a month ago and we couldn't call for help!). You're right, a dedicated device is pretty mandatory for true life threatening situations, and we always have a bevy of safety equipment on harder tramps.

With that said, the iPhone (Pro?) is becoming somewhat of a swiss army knife for casual tramping: offline maps with GPS and a compass, an excellent set of cameras, an ereader, excellent battery life to back all that up _and_ it can now communicate with the rest of the world in non-life threatening -- but marginal -- situations. As an example, we leave intentions with people whenever we leave ("here is our route, if we're not back by midday on the third, contact SAR"); being able to message people and say "hey, I've rolled my ankle, we're safe but will be late because we're limping out, don't worry" is a pretty excellent feature.

We're probably a niche market, but several friends in that community are pretty excited about this feature. For 2-3 day trips, this makes the outdoors much more accessible.

Re:Emergency SOS via satellite is included for free with iPh... by cozzyd on Wednesday September 07, 2022 @08:42PM (#32759496)
The biggest issue is probably battery life though... an InReach lasts 4 days in its default mode and 30 days in a lower-power mode. An iPhone lasts... less than that.
Re:Emergency SOS via satellite is included for free with iPh... by bjtitus on Wednesday September 07, 2022 @11:44PM (#32760921)
Most people would much rather spend $20-$50 on decent external batteries and keep their all-in-one device than spend hundreds of dollars + monthly fees for dedicated satellite communicators or rescue beacons.
Re:Emergency SOS via satellite is included for free with iPh... by guyzero on Wednesday September 07, 2022 @05:03PM (#32756828)
Sure. Garmin is still $5B in sales annually. Which is peanuts next to the iPhone, so you wonder why they even bother going after it. AirPods are a bigger business than that.
Re:Emergency SOS via satellite is included for free with iPh... by bjtitus on Wednesday September 07, 2022 @11:47PM (#32760939)
It’s almost like they’re thinking about more than just the immediate money and consider these part of their messaging around health & safety.

Kind of like how Collision Detection could have been an excellent Apple Watch upsell feature but was brought to all iPhones anyway.

They recognize the power of things like fall and afib detection for pushing into the ever growing consumer Health market.

Re:Emergency SOS via satellite is included for free with iPh... by LorenPechtel on Thursday September 08, 2022 @02:31PM (#32769897)
The more serious of that crowd likely will, but not the more casual people. I'd say I see them hanging from a few percent of packs--but the deeper into the backcountry one goes the higher the percentage becomes.
Re:Emergency SOS via satellite is included for free with iPh... by chrisseaton on Wednesday September 07, 2022 @04:46PM (#32756591)
Who are AAPL?
Re:Emergency SOS via satellite is included for free with iPh... by Jtsummers on Wednesday September 07, 2022 @04:52PM (#32756662)
It's Apple's stock symbol. People sometimes refer to companies by their stock symbols (on this site and others), though usually more in a financial discussion context.
Re:Emergency SOS via satellite is included for free with iPh... by matt_attack on Wednesday September 07, 2022 @08:21PM (#32759294)
Gotta save that 1 character yet require hitting shift to cancel it out.
Re:Emergency SOS via satellite is included for free with iPh... by dymk on Thursday September 08, 2022 @01:09AM (#32761423)
JUST LEAVE CAPS LOCK ON ALL THE TIME, EASY
Re:Emergency SOS via satellite is included for free with iPh... by goleary on Wednesday September 07, 2022 @04:58PM (#32756761)
Apple