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Re:The tyranny of the rocket equation (2012) by midoridensha on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @02:59AM (#32733856)
How do you figure? With anti-gravity, you would need very little power for propulsion since gravity would not be a factor (or less, depending on how effective your anti-gravity tech is). The question is how much power the anti-gravity requires.
Re:The tyranny of the rocket equation (2012) by mr_mitm on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @03:03AM (#32733887)
I suppose "we just need anti-gravity" is equivalent with "we just need to violate energy and momentum conservation".
Re:The tyranny of the rocket equation (2012) by moring on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @03:15AM (#32733959)
It could also mean: We only have to feed the escape energy of the rocket itself into the rocket while it is on the ground, and without also carrying fuel upwards.
Re:The tyranny of the rocket equation (2012) by quickthrower2 on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @06:45AM (#32735294)
The “anti gravity” was just zero altitude momentum all along. Just use that big washing machine thing. Can’t stick humans in it though :-(
Re:The tyranny of the rocket equation (2012) by galcerte on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @04:52AM (#32734594)
> The question is how much power the anti-gravity requires.

This is essentially a case of "draw the rest of the owl".

Re:The tyranny of the rocket equation (2012) by betwixthewires on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @04:42AM (#32734534)
I would assume (with good reason) that the amount of energy needed to generate a counter to the gravitational field would be the same as the amount of energy required in thrust to do the same thing.
Re:The tyranny of the rocket equation (2012) by YesWeWill on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @05:52AM (#32734955)
Still, having a drive that doesn't need to push stuff out of its back would be very interesting, IMHO - even if it doesn't work out better energy-wise.
Re:The tyranny of the rocket equation (2012) by michaelmrose on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @05:25AM (#32734787)
Gravity is the shape of spacetime. Why would antigravity be a thing.
Re:The tyranny of the rocket equation (2012) by forgotpwd16 on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @06:40AM (#32735254)
Can be a defect in spacetime. See: https://arxiv.org/abs/1803.09736
Re:The tyranny of the rocket equation (2012) by YesWeWill on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @05:51AM (#32734942)
Alcubierre drive essentially changes the shape of spacetime, doesn't it?
Re:The tyranny of the rocket equation (2012) by mr_mitm on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @06:58AM (#32735376)
Everything (that has mass or energy) changes the shape of spacetime.
Re:The tyranny of the rocket equation (2012) by YesWeWill on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @08:34AM (#32736256)
Sure, my point is that the changes made with Alcubierre drive are controllable.
Re:The tyranny of the rocket equation (2012) by simiones on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @09:07AM (#32736588)
Not really. The Alcubierre "drive" is closer to a "shape", a static solution to Einstein's equations. There is no proposed device that actually achieves this shape. The only idea along those lines implies a kind of Alcubierre railroad - you set up a path of negative mass matter (which almost certainly doesn't exist) and then move this with regular means as the ship is approaching, thereby continuing the bubble for the ship.