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Re:IMDB deleted all negative user reviews for The Rings of P... by oblio on Saturday September 03, 2022 @08:58AM (#32701450)
> The pale white skin is a well known proxy for ethereal/angelic beings

In European and European derived culture...

Re:IMDB deleted all negative user reviews for The Rings of P... by samatman on Saturday September 03, 2022 @09:17AM (#32701612)
Yes. An Italian was talking about an Italian story. They're Europeans.

What did you intend this statement to contribute?

Re:IMDB deleted all negative user reviews for The Rings of P... by jeromegv on Saturday September 03, 2022 @10:00AM (#32701939)
The reality is that at least as a North American, nobody even knows it is an Italian story. We all know Pinocchio from our childhood. Nobody knows it’s Italian.

So watching a Disney movie, I’m not watching an Italian movie featuring an Italian story, just watching Disney.

I’m watching a common fable. And in that case, I really don’t see why everyone HAS to be white.

Not asking to change the original Italian book here. But the reality of Disney as a global storyteller is that it became a lot more than an Italian story.

Re:IMDB deleted all negative user reviews for The Rings of P... by peoplefromibiza on Saturday September 03, 2022 @10:44AM (#32702328)
> The reality is that at least as a North American, nobody even knows it is an Italian story. We all know Pinocchio from our childhood. Nobody knows it’s Italian.

Yep, that is the problem.

USA is both pushing diversity and inclusiveness everywhere they can, while also using other cultures because "they don't know where things come from"

Which is cultural appropriation according to modern standards and it's neither inclusive nor helps diversity, it actually crushes it and make all the debates about recognizing the cultural differences as they exists look like white people complaining over minutia, or, even worse, racists that do not want women of color in movies or shows.

When It's actually the opposite, I want to see black people stories, not just black people participating in white people stories where they are not originally mentioned.

Re:IMDB deleted all negative user reviews for The Rings of P... by 29083011397778 on Saturday September 03, 2022 @10:30AM (#32702209)
> The reality is that at least as a North American, nobody even knows it is an Italian story. We all know Pinocchio from our childhood. Nobody knows it’s Italian.

I love the contrast between being woke ("Be inclusive and represent all people") and being woke ("Taking another cultures history and erasing the cultural aspects of it, making it all white, is bad") on display here.

Re:IMDB deleted all negative user reviews for The Rings of P... by samatman on Saturday September 03, 2022 @10:35AM (#32702247)
Saying you didn't know that Pinocchio (!!) was set in Italy (!!!) is like saying you didn't know the first half of the Little Mermaid was set underwater.
Re:IMDB deleted all negative user reviews for The Rings of P... by mwint on Saturday September 03, 2022 @10:29AM (#32702190)
“Pinocchio” looks like something that should be on an Italian restaurant menu. I’d bet a majority of Americans would guess it came from Italy
Re:IMDB deleted all negative user reviews for The Rings of P... by rizzaxc on Sunday September 04, 2022 @12:50AM (#32709949)
The fable is called Pinocchio, I wonder where that may have come from
Re:IMDB deleted all negative user reviews for The Rings of P... by peoplefromibiza on Saturday September 03, 2022 @09:16AM (#32701593)
Of course they did.

But Disney is not making culture, they are making entertainment for making money.

Tolkien is culture, Amazon's rings of power is not.

EDIT: sorry, misread your comment, no, not only in European cultures, it's consistent across the cultures throughout history.

White is the light, first men loved light and hated dark, in darkness lure grave dangers.

For example in African mythologies fairies are white too, pearl white to be precise.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yumboes

Re:IMDB deleted all negative user reviews for The Rings of P... by oblio on Saturday September 03, 2022 @01:47PM (#32704259)
> Tolkien is culture, Amazon's rings of power is not.

Funny. Culture is almost everything. If we like it or not, if it's high or low culture, that's a huge discussion. But for sure the TV series is culture.

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Cool link! True, the association with light is strong, universally.

Actually, there was also the social class factor in any culture where tanning is highly visible: aristocrats vs everyone else, who had to work outside. No tan = upper class.

Re:IMDB deleted all negative user reviews for The Rings of P... by peoplefromibiza on Sunday September 04, 2022 @05:16AM (#32711289)
> Funny. Culture is almost everything. If we like it or not, if it's high or low culture

Fair enough, point taken.

I should have phrased it better.

Let's put it this way: Tolkien was an intellectual and a Linguistic Professor, his works have cultural relevance, he was trying to write the new British mythology from the POV of a scholar, he wasn't thinking about writing a best seller to get rich.

Conversely, I love the Terminator, but Terminator has no cultural relevance, it is popular culture or pop culture, it lives among us, yes, but the reason why it exists is entertaining people that go to the movies.

Re:IMDB deleted all negative user reviews for The Rings of P... by Ekaros on Saturday September 03, 2022 @09:03AM (#32701499)
Chinese seem to be quite a fans too of white jade like skinned beauties...
Re:IMDB deleted all negative user reviews for The Rings of P... by LunaSea on Saturday September 03, 2022 @10:30AM (#32702206)
You wouldn't want to encourage cultural appropriation would you know?