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Re:Cloudflare's abuse policies and approach by amrocha on Wednesday August 31, 2022 @03:56PM (#32667498)
I just don't want to live in a world where my trans friends get relentlessly harassed and cyber bullied until they kill themselves. Can I have that?
Re:Cloudflare's abuse policies and approach by colechristensen on Wednesday August 31, 2022 @04:09PM (#32667686)
Call the cops, file restraining orders, and get a good therapist.

Assholes and trolls are still going to exist regardless of what any platform does.

You can’t have what you want by trying to pressure cloudflare, it won’t make a positive difference. Do something real instead of advocating for something toothless and symbolic.

Re:Cloudflare's abuse policies and approach by FullyFunctional on Wednesday August 31, 2022 @05:09PM (#32668382)
How exactly do you file a restraining order against an unknown group of unnamed people? It seems like a very privileged victim-blaming POV.
Re:Cloudflare's abuse policies and approach by remarkEon on Wednesday August 31, 2022 @05:24PM (#32668552)
The FBI, and increasingly police departments, have fairly large cyber forensics capabilities. If someone is doing something illegal, report it.
Re:Cloudflare's abuse policies and approach by Dylan16807 on Wednesday August 31, 2022 @07:54PM (#32669906)
Do you actually think there is any chance they would investigate?
Re:Cloudflare's abuse policies and approach by remarkEon on Wednesday August 31, 2022 @09:50PM (#32670864)
I'm not sure what you mean by this. Are you implying that the police will decline to investigate death threats and the like for political reasons?
Re:Cloudflare's abuse policies and approach by Dylan16807 on Wednesday August 31, 2022 @09:52PM (#32670881)
I am implying that police don't care about internet death threats. As long as they're not against the president or something.
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Re:Cloudflare's abuse policies and approach by dang on Thursday September 01, 2022 @04:35PM (#32682764)
Attack other users like you did in those first two sentences will get you banned here, regardless of how right you are or feel you are. No more of this, please.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:Cloudflare's abuse policies and approach by spencerchubb on Wednesday August 31, 2022 @04:12PM (#32667720)
Harassment is already a crime. No need for companies like cloudflare to implement their own bespoke judicial system
Re:Cloudflare's abuse policies and approach by Cr4shMyCar on Wednesday August 31, 2022 @06:41PM (#32669283)
Selling drugs is already a crime, no need for eBay or Facebook to implement their own bespoke judicial system. Something being illegal doesn't mean people won't do it.
Re:Cloudflare's abuse policies and approach by account42 on Thursday September 01, 2022 @08:29AM (#32675400)
I agree, eBay and Facebook should not be policing drugs beyond what they are legally required.
Re:Cloudflare's abuse policies and approach by Banana699 on Wednesday August 31, 2022 @05:13PM (#32668426)
Yes you can, convince your friends to deactivate their social media accounts where\when they're harrassed or aggressively block those who harrass them. Teach them tips and tricks to bully back (bullying is really easy). Find them mental health professionals and services, and possibly help them financially with those services.
Re:Cloudflare's abuse policies and approach by Cr4shMyCar on Wednesday August 31, 2022 @06:46PM (#32669329)
Harassment isn't something that Just Happens and it's not something that's impossible to stop or prevent. If a group of people is shooting others, would you only teach people what to do if they've been shot or would you find and take action against the people shooting others?
Re:Cloudflare's abuse policies and approach by Banana699 on Wednesday August 31, 2022 @08:11PM (#32670039)
Great analogy, too bad it's hyperbolic and doesn't actually say anything about the situations it's supposed to help us think about.

People need to get it through their head that speech is not violence, words are not weapons. Your Exquisite Analogy about how speech laws should Akshually reflect gun laws or martial laws doesn't work, never worked, and never will.

Every single argument against free speech is a general argument against living in any kind of large networked society. Your problem is not the tools the harrasser uses, your problem is the harrasser themself, the tools they use is the same tools used by dissidents and freedom fighters to "harrass" the oppressive governments they are rebelling against.

We went through this entire tiresome arguments before with the debates around cryptography and anonymity, people just keep Missing The Point. Yes, building backdoors into encryption standards and harvesting data without users' permission will allow you to catch The Big Bad Pedos, but it will also allow Putin and Ibn Salman unprecedented power to catch their own type of enemies. "Oh, we just want to do bad things to the bad guys only" no, you can't, believe me, you can't and you won't, every single thing you advocate for can and will be used against you.