Observations from our Joe Rogan Experience experience

Re:Observations from our Joe Rogan Experience experience by evv555 on Tuesday August 30, 2022 @08:42AM (#32649630)

>But people have this weird way of taking things they like and not only rejecting criticism but making it their whole identity. Joe can do no wrong and if people dislike him it's because they don't "get it" and they are just being soft.

I see what you're getting at but I think you're putting the cart before the horse here. JRE has become a highly politicized target and criticism(or praise) of the show is a proxy narrative for half-dozen other issues. This is just more identity politics spilling over into more facets of our lives.

>Joe also likes to deflect by saying "I'm an idiot don't listen to me" which hey that's fine but if you're going to ramble about how the moon is made of cheese then say "don't listen to me" but then bring on a guest who is going to talk about how the moon is made of cheese; the line that is being pushed is pretty clear even if it is unintentional.

I think the diversity of perspectives is a valuable part of the show. But it's a balancing act with many pitfalls.

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Re:Observations from our Joe Rogan Experience experience by rocqua on Tuesday August 30, 2022 @08:52AM (#32649748)

> This is just more identity politics spilling over into more facets of our lives.

Could you elaborate what you mean? Especially the term 'identity politics' feels like it is charged and in danger of being mis-interpreted.

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Re:Observations from our Joe Rogan Experience experience by evv555 on Tuesday August 30, 2022 @09:17AM (#32650022)

The trend of people forming deep tribal identity around political affiliations and institutions. Speech then is first and foremost performative signaling of your in-group affiliation to the good group or the evil group. At least that's the lense any speech or action is looked at within identity politics.

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Re:Observations from our Joe Rogan Experience experience by rocqua on Tuesday August 30, 2022 @01:20PM (#32652805)

Thanks for that clear explanation!

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Re:Observations from our Joe Rogan Experience experience by powerhour on Tuesday August 30, 2022 @09:38AM (#32650262)

You say trend like it is a recent phenomenon and not something that has been happening for centuries if not millennia.

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Re:Observations from our Joe Rogan Experience experience by kranke155 on Tuesday August 30, 2022 @10:29AM (#32650929)

That’s true. Identity politics is just a new name for it, but we did use to burn people at the stake for the same reason.

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Re:Observations from our Joe Rogan Experience experience by adamrezich on Tuesday August 30, 2022 @03:32PM (#32654095)

it would be dishonest to ignore the fact that "contemporary identity politics" kicked fully into gear as a direct response to #Occupy—and its objective was & continues to be successful

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Re:Observations from our Joe Rogan Experience experience by powerhour on Tuesday August 30, 2022 @04:04PM (#32654413)

Contemporary identity politics are at least in part a response to the contemporary "occupy" movements, sure, and that's pretty much by definition.

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Re:Observations from our Joe Rogan Experience experience by threeseed on Tuesday August 30, 2022 @08:54AM (#32649777)

> JRE has become a highly politicized target

He has deliberately made it that way because it is highly profitable for him.

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Re:Observations from our Joe Rogan Experience experience by WithinReason on Tuesday August 30, 2022 @09:42AM (#32650299)

So then why did he reject Trump when he wanted to come on the podcast?

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Re:Observations from our Joe Rogan Experience experience by pwinnski on Tuesday August 30, 2022 @11:10AM (#32651402)

All downside, no upside. It wouldn't boost his popularity, but would open him up to new levels of criticism.

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Re:Observations from our Joe Rogan Experience experience by WithinReason on Tuesday August 30, 2022 @11:14AM (#32651447)

It would boost his popularity with half the country, and he would get an insane amount of views on the interview. All upside no downside.

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Re:Observations from our Joe Rogan Experience experience by chasd00 on Tuesday August 30, 2022 @03:58PM (#32654357)

> It would boost his popularity with half the country

idk, i feel like the majority of trump supporters already listen to JRE. Those that don't support Trump would hate Joe giving Trump the time of day and therefore risk losing those listeners while gaining none. I don't see an upside to Trump being on JRE.

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Re:Observations from our Joe Rogan Experience experience by weberer on Tuesday August 30, 2022 @04:53PM (#32654906)

That's a pretty large estimate. I'd be surprised if even 10% of Americans even listen to podcasts at all.

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Re:Observations from our Joe Rogan Experience experience by wyclif on Tuesday August 30, 2022 @08:07PM (#32656770)

I doubt there's as much crossover as you think. I really don't see any evidence that a lot of MAGAts are JRE listeners.

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Re:Observations from our Joe Rogan Experience experience by adamrezich on Tuesday August 30, 2022 @03:37PM (#32654142)

the other half of the country (world?) would hate Rogan for having Trump on. imagine if they agreed on anything. imagine if they made each other laugh. the "you're giving a platform for HATE" rhetoric would be deployed in full gear. Rogan would undoubtedly ask tough questions, but no matter what he were to ask, it would never be "tough enough" for many. I'm not a big JRE guy but I would be very interested in watching a Trump episode of the show—however, I think Rogan made the right choice by not opening that can of worms. at least, at this point in time.

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Re:Observations from our Joe Rogan Experience experience by purple_ferret on Tuesday August 30, 2022 @12:01PM (#32651940)

He said he'd have Trump on prior to the election (with no pre-screen questions, which the Trump team wouldn't agree to).

Post Jan 6, Trump is a pariah for anyone not running in a Republican primary.

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