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Re:Time Till Open Source Alternative by bsder on Saturday August 27, 2022 @10:08PM (#32625106)
> For example, adoption of GIMP has not likely materially increased over time (as a relative percent of total addressable market)

This is an interesting question to me because Adobe only recently moved to cloud/subscription fairly recently. Before that, you could get a physical copy of Photoshop and keep it running forever.

As that pathway fades, it will be interesting to see if something will finally supplant Photoshop.

Re:Time Till Open Source Alternative by nocman on Saturday August 27, 2022 @11:29PM (#32625502)
I would not call 9 years ago "recently" (March 2013 is when Adobe announced it would no longer sell boxed copies of the Creative Suite software).

Adobe obviously doesn't care. They treat their customers like crap and actively try to extract as much money out of them as possible. A few years ago (or less) they worded their description of their monthly subscription very carefully, so as to mislead people into thinking they could pay for a month or two when they needed it, and then cancel. The fact was that monthly only allowed you to pay each month, it was still an annual subscription which could not be cancelled without substantial early termination penalty (basically paying the whole remainder of the year if my memory serves me correctly). If they really cared about their customers, they would have made that very clear when you signed up for service. I helped a family member sign up, and there was no explanation, and no warning about cancellation.

I wasn't thrilled about the subscription model in the first place, but this family member needed access to the tool. After the way that went down, I have no intention of doing business with Adobe ever again. I know a lot of other people who feel the same way.

(edited to fix a typo)

Re:Time Till Open Source Alternative by asdfasgasdgasdg on Sunday August 28, 2022 @12:56AM (#32625891)
> They treat their customers like crap

I'm not a fan of Adobe's payment practices. But they do treat us well in one regard. They give us one thing that we can't get anywhere else. The best photo editing software on the market.

Re:Time Till Open Source Alternative by omnimus on Sunday August 28, 2022 @04:25AM (#32626718)
Their products havent changed in like a decade. Its actually getting worse, slower and buggier.

Its best photo editing software because people are so used to it its hard to move and everybody new has to learn it because its industry standard.

But photo editing is not some arcane magic like it was in 90s. Freaking photopea.com does what photoshop does often much faster in browser. Not to mention million other affinity/pixelmator/acorn native apps.

Re:Time Till Open Source Alternative by foobiekr on Saturday August 27, 2022 @11:58PM (#32625626)
Yes. Affinity Photo and Design most likely.

GIMP is just awful. It's worse than any of the commercial Mac paint programs including Pixelmator, acorn, etc.

Re:Time Till Open Source Alternative by unknownaccount on Saturday August 27, 2022 @11:29PM (#32625504)
GIMP is supposed to be a Photoshop alternative? But is missing so many features which don’t even seem that hard to code? I always thought it was supposed to be some weird middle ground between Paint and Photoshop.
Re:Time Till Open Source Alternative by hilbert42 on Sunday August 28, 2022 @12:29AM (#32625777)
For years, I've looked to GIMP as an alternative to Photoshop but now I've given up the idea. Yes, it's missing many features but my main reason for dropping it is its perverse operation, it's just too awkward and clumsy to use.

I can only conclude the reason that these inherent problems with GIMP have remained uncorrected for so long is that its developers couldn't give a damn whether we use it or not.

It seems only a play toy for its cliquey developers and the only reason it's available at all is that we gullible users act as occasional bug detectors.

Sure, open software has resoure problems hence expected delays but too much water has flowed under the bridge for that now to be a viable excuse.

Re:Time Till Open Source Alternative by hilbert42 on Sunday August 28, 2022 @06:48AM (#32627315)
I forgot to add the last straw for me was the removal of GIMP's 'Fade' feature. I'm aware of the alterative but it's not as convenient.

User ergonomics in software is extremely important and its removal is a big anti-feature. At the time GIMP's developers didn't offer an apology, they just said that's the way it's going to be on 'technical grounds'.

Re:Time Till Open Source Alternative by nequo on Sunday August 28, 2022 @01:34AM (#32626041)
What did you drop it in favor of?
Re:Time Till Open Source Alternative by hilbert42 on Sunday August 28, 2022 @03:02AM (#32626399)
Paint.NET, Inkscape, Krita, CinePaint, ImageMagick (command line - yes, it can be very useful at times), and various others when certain needs dictate.

Also, Photoshop CS3 which is my last paid version (moreover, I can still reinstall it as Adobe temporarily released a general version with an unlocked key when it abolished the CS3 licensing server some years ago).

I even use IrfanView viewer as it has a nice batch converter (although it's no good for 48-bit work).

Frankly, there's no shortage of image editors even after eliminating GIMP and Photoshop.

Re:Time Till Open Source Alternative by nine_k on Saturday August 27, 2022 @11:31PM (#32625514)
I think if you want to do digital art, you use Krita, not Gimp.
Re:Time Till Open Source Alternative by rapnie on Sunday August 28, 2022 @02:08AM (#32626184)
Yes, and Blender. Both examples where productization is better. Likely marketing and community building around the software is much better too.
Re:Time Till Open Source Alternative by zamadatix on Saturday August 27, 2022 @10:32PM (#32625237)
Hasn't it been a full decade since the last perpetually licensed Photoshop?
Re:Time Till Open Source Alternative by eru on Saturday August 27, 2022 @10:35PM (#32625263)
I guess five years ago you could still easily use a five year old pirated photoshop?
Re:Time Till Open Source Alternative by sircastor on Saturday August 27, 2022 @10:51PM (#32625334)
We have a legit PS install on my wife’s machine and it’s preventing us from making a move to another computer for her. She’s a casual/non-professional user. She knows the app and how to use it. We aren’t interested in renting the app… basically we’re holding out on that machine, but sooner or later it’s going to become a security risk in our network.
Re:Time Till Open Source Alternative by piperswe on Saturday August 27, 2022 @10:56PM (#32625358)
At some point it might be worth looking into Affinity Photo, it's a $55 (one-time, with free updates) cross-platform photo manipulation program with surprising feature parity with Photoshop.
Re:Time Till Open Source Alternative by Lammy on Sunday August 28, 2022 @12:54AM (#32625882)
This is why I still use Photoshop CS3. It's the newest version Adobe have released as an activation-free offline installer, and it does everything I need and then some.
Re:Time Till Open Source Alternative by eru on Saturday August 27, 2022 @11:02PM (#32625387)
Couldn't you run it in a VM?
Re:Time Till Open Source Alternative by nine_k on Saturday August 27, 2022 @11:29PM (#32625506)
Likely not, because the installation is linked to the Windows or macOS installation.

In the case of Windows, the machine can be eventually upgraded, one part at a time, into something more powerful.