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Re:Day ahead electricity prices for EU by Reason077 on Saturday August 27, 2022 @11:22AM (#32619999)
The transmission issues will be solved: more and more HVDC interconnections start construction in Europe every year. Grids that still rely heavily on coal and natural gas can, and will, be improved.

An EV bought today will only get cleaner as the grid gets cleaner. A new fossil-fuel vehicle today will always be dependent on fossil fuels, and will always pollute at least as much as the day it was purchased.

Re:Day ahead electricity prices for EU by peteradio on Saturday August 27, 2022 @01:07PM (#32620990)
How many neighbors on a block of houses can have simultaneous charging?
Re:Day ahead electricity prices for EU by iso1631 on Saturday August 27, 2022 @02:04PM (#32621508)
There's 10 houses on my street, if every house had 2 cars and each drove 50 miles a day at 3 miles per kWh, and the cars are parked 10 hours overnight, that's 3kW per house

As we can all boil a kettle (3kW), or have a shower (10kW), or cook a sunday roast (5kW), and indeed do those at the same time, it's not a problem.

Re:Day ahead electricity prices for EU by adrianN on Saturday August 27, 2022 @01:12PM (#32621036)
All of them? The typical car is moved less than 100km per day and is parked upwards of twenty hours a day. With a kilowatt or two you car charge the car.
Re:Day ahead electricity prices for EU by 01100011 on Saturday August 27, 2022 @02:41PM (#32621839)
This response is correct. Be sure to forward it to the folks in the EU this winter when they're unable to charge their cars or heat their homes.

We should be thinking long term, but we can't forget about the present and the path to the glorious future. I think in hindsight we'll soon admit that we botched the transition to a greener world and caused needless suffering by putting ideologies before engineering.

Re:Day ahead electricity prices for EU by Reason077 on Sunday August 28, 2022 @05:26AM (#32626963)
You’ve got it backwards. The current energy problems in Europe are due to a reduction in the supply of imported natural gas, nothing to do with renewables.

By reducing Europe’s dependence on imported fossil fuels, renewables are part of the solution to energy security.

Re:Day ahead electricity prices for EU by foxhill on Saturday August 27, 2022 @01:02PM (#32620940)
even if it ran on gasoline created from carbon dioxide extracted from the atmosphere?
Re:Day ahead electricity prices for EU by adrianN on Saturday August 27, 2022 @01:11PM (#32621021)
We don't have perfectly impact-free ways of creating energy. So using less energy to achieve the same goal is always better. And carbon dioxide is not the only pollutant that cars emit.
Re:Day ahead electricity prices for EU by martinko on Saturday August 27, 2022 @04:37PM (#32622944)
we dont have any way of 'creating' energy
Re:Day ahead electricity prices for EU by ben_w on Saturday August 27, 2022 @04:51PM (#32623064)
Technically correct but missing the point. Conventionally, burning things, PV, wind, etc. are all classified as "creating energy" even if it makes thermodynamics pedants unhappy.
Re:Day ahead electricity prices for EU by zionic on Saturday August 27, 2022 @01:15PM (#32621056)
That gasoline wouldn’t be an energy source, it’d be an extremely crappy battery.

Far better to just send the power via grid to an EV @95% then toss 60% or more of it to make a gallon of gas

Re:Day ahead electricity prices for EU by foxhill on Saturday August 27, 2022 @01:23PM (#32621138)
it’s a more practical solution for right now though. we can’t expect the world to switch its entire infrastructure overnight, or even quickly. yes, the rich nations might get a head start, but they represent such a small fraction of emissions.
Re:Day ahead electricity prices for EU by adrianN on Sunday August 28, 2022 @12:23AM (#32625751)
I really hate this "overnight" argument, because it's used to avoid starting. Nobody claims that we can switch to EVs over night. We could however switch to only producing EVs in like two to five years and fifteen to twenty years later almost all cars could be EVs. That's plenty of time to fortify the electric grid for the extra demand and build adequate numbers of charging points for people without garages.
Re:Day ahead electricity prices for EU by ZeroGravitas on Saturday August 27, 2022 @02:24PM (#32621692)
Its not practical. The extra energy costs act like a high tax.

It might make sense, for a while with aircraft, or for a classic car that rarely gets used, but would be too expensive for developing nations to use when they have other options. They'd save lots of money by using the same energy directly in newly built (or converted) EVs.

Re:Day ahead electricity prices for EU by marcinzm on Saturday August 27, 2022 @01:46PM (#32621352)
>yes, the rich nations might get a head start, but they represent such a small fraction of emissions.

Not really for automotive emissions. The US alone accounts for almost half the world's road CO2 emissions.

Re:Day ahead electricity prices for EU by foxhill on Saturday August 27, 2022 @01:57PM (#32621448)
and automotive emissions account for ~10% of all CO2 emissions. 20% if you want to include all transport (e.g. sea shipping, planes, etc.)

there’s been a lot of media attention on how individuals need to make an effort to beat climate change, but the reality is that industry is the only sector able to make a meaningful impact.

Re:Day ahead electricity prices for EU by adrianN on Sunday August 28, 2022 @12:23AM (#32625754)
10% is huge though.
Re:Day ahead electricity prices for EU by Reason077 on Sunday August 28, 2022 @10:36AM (#32628703)
Exactly. If we could cut global emissions by even 10%, it would make a pretty meaningful dent in climate change. Unfortunately, as of now, global emissions are still rising!
Re:Day ahead electricity prices for EU by marcinzm on Saturday August 27, 2022 @02:01PM (#32621482)
This thread is discussing EVs vs gasoline so not sure why you're changing the topic suddenly.
Re:Day ahead electricity prices for EU by foxhill on Saturday August 27, 2022 @03:01PM (#32621987)
apologies, i don’t understand. you seemed to suggest cars are a significant contributor to CO2 emission.
Re:Day ahead electricity prices for EU by imhoguy on Saturday August 27, 2022 @03:23PM (#32622203)
Exactly or simply biogas/biomethane as fuel.